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Some questions about turboprops

You will find that a Garrett powered twin, will be on par, or even cheaper to operate than a modern SET (maybe with the exception of a Jetprop). I know that goes against every grain of collective knowledge, but it’s true when you actually run the numbers.

Ignoring the 20% less fuel burn on Garrets, you get 5400hrs (and in some cases 7000hrs TBO) TBO. An overhaul is about $250-300K. HSI is anywhere between $20K-100K. Let’s average it at $50K. That’s $64/hr per engine, or $128/hr for the MET. I know piston engines that almost cost that much to operate! And a big bore PT6, that you’ll find in any TBM, will be close to $500K to overhaul. Divide that by it’s TBO of 3600hrs and a HSI and you get $144/hr. Now add the extra fuel burn of 20% on top and you can see that a SET PT6 will take you to the cleaners compared to any Garrett twin. Plus no need for compressor washes and all that monkey motion that PT6’s require.

Here’s another saving nobody talk about: oil changes and plugs. I used to change oil on my Aerostar every 50hrs. It was a $500 job each time. Do that over the TBO of an engine and it comes to like $18000. That’ll pay for most of your HSI (Garrets need an oil change like every 900hrs or so).

But yes, they do require good batteries. Always a good idea to do GPU start first start of day. But I also know of plenty owners that never use a GPU – me included. But I do have BatteryMinders on mine so that she’s always “topped” up. I changed to Concorde batteries last year from Gill, and they’re a lot better. They’re not cheap, but when you keep after them, they should last.

MU2’s are great, but for the casual flier you should look at Turbo Commanders (or maybe Conquests) – big, benign airplanes that won’t bite. Plenty of them in Europe and I know at least 3 service centers that have worked a lot on TC’s for decades and have good TPE experience. You can get an older -5 powered 690A for not that much. And they’re great performers still. Will outrun most of the SET’s in both speed and range.



Last Edited by AdamFrisch at 30 Mar 00:13

Sebastian_G wrote:

. I would not be astonished is old school turbine limits have sometimes been set thinking of analogue dials with acertain tolerance. Then you connect a digital system and still used the same limits to trigger expensive inspections most probably not required.

Yep. Also recall the overboost lamps on some turbo piston engines. There also are procedures what has to be done every time that thing comes on, but hardly anyone ever does anything else than reduce the throttles so the light goes out and then forgets all about it.

@ Adam how on earth did you get that last pic taken? Tailgunner stand in a Mitchell or something? But way cool.

[ there is an “Adam” but he has not visited for years, so that notification went to the wrong person ]

Those start up discussions make me wonder how effective the cartridge starters were on some older jets. You don’t need a battery, just a cartridge and a hammer in the worst case. It used to look pretty interesting in some instances how those old engines fired up. Not sure if there are turboprops who used those too.



Last Edited by Mooney_Driver at 30 Mar 09:32
LSZH(work) LSZF (GA base), Switzerland

@Mooney_Driver
Oh, none of these photos I had anything to do with – they’re just from the internet. For inspiration!

Gorgeous nonetheless!

Antonio
LESB, Spain

Blank shotgun cartridges were used to start RAF DH Chipmunk engines. I think there was a few cartridges in a carousel.

Maoraigh
EGPE, United Kingdom

RobertL18C wrote:

Not sure how critical it is to be facing upwind on a strong wind day, but probably a sensible precaution.

On the PT6-equipped aircraft I fly, I was told (after I specifically asked this to the manufacturer) that there’s no real limitation in terms of wind during start, nor is there a need to point into the wind.

EDDW, Germany
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