Hi Boscomantico,
You are correct that during any skills test or proficiency check the examiner cannot ‘instruct’ during the flight. However, in terms of insurance and legality of logging flight time, examiners can log the flight as an instructional flight – because you cannot examine a rating or licence unless you can instruct for the licence/rating.
Regarding examining for a type or class not endorsed on an examiners licence, under JAR FCL national aviation authority examiners had a dispensation which allowed them to do this. Under Part FCL this dispensation was withdrawn.
When you apply for your licence or rating the NAA, require copies of the examiner’s licence, rating, and examiner certificate. I know of one pilot who went to another EASA member state to complete their IR conversion in their own PA46 SET. The pilot passed the IR, but the CAA rejected the application because the IRE did not hold the PA46 SET class rating, or PA46 CRI certificate.
and tailored each conversion based upon the pilot’s experience, rather than apply a standard course for everyone.
I think that goes without saying, doesn’t it?…
you are correct that during any skills test or proficiency check the examiner cannot ‘instruct’ during the flight.
Curiously I was told in the USA that the FAA regards a checkride as a learning experience. That was also evident in the US checkrides I had.
In the UK ones, the examiner usually says nothing; just makes some notes.
On the topic, this recent thread may be of relevance.
Peter wrote:
Curiously I was told in the USA that the FAA regards a checkride as a learning experience.
But not instruction! Jonathan is right – but a non-instructional flight can still be a learning experience, and there will usually be a debrief where the examiner may end up saying things that are advice.
alioth wrote:
But not instruction! Jonathan is right – but a non-instructional flight can still be a learning experience, and there will usually be a debrief where the examiner may end up saying things that are advice.
It is well known among professional educators that examinations are important learning opportunities.
From this statement you can draw some conclusion about how I regard the people who put together the EASA written exams.
Jonathan wrote:
Class rating and PPL skill test can be combined, providing examiner is an FE and rated on the aircraft. Takes about 1 day.
Does that mean you could combine the EASA IR check ride with the PPL checkride?
Hi everyone,
Examiners are not allowed to instruct during any test because if the proficiency level was not reached the candidate could file a Regulation 6 appeal stating that the examiner was distracting the candidate. That is not to say examiners don’t want to help, personally I am always fighting the urge to offer advice. Proficiency checks (i.e. once the rating is on the licence) offer the examiner more latitude, in that you are allowed to retrain to proficiency, and then test in the same flight. It is for this reason that most pilots find revalidation flights have more training benefit.
Cirrus_Man: Unfortunately not, because the profiles are different. You also need an EASA licence to attach the converted IR onto. You could in theory pass the PPL skill test in the morning and then the IRT in the afternoon, however, I wouldn’t recommend it – quite demanding. What I meant by stating that the PPL and class rating test can be combined, is that you can complete the PPL skill test on say a TBM, and you will not have to then pass a separate TBM class rating test. Or in your case, (assuming you fly a Cirrus) you would pass the EASA PPL combined with SEP class rating. Then pass the IRT. In order to convert an ICAO PPL you need to:
Some other tips I have remembered:
Hope this helps.
yes very helpful and thanks
