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Rolling big stuff

Almost any aircraft should be able to fly a roll ballistically, as long as it can complete the roll in the same time you could bunt it through a zero G arc.

The issue is – can the pilot? With the required 99.9999% reliability, and/or an “out” if it goes wrong? Aerobatics is a risky thing at the best of times. The evidence suggests that very experienced pilots, including those with significant aerobatic experience, manage to get it wrong in perfectly capable and not-so-capable aircraft.

Anyone who flies a certain manoeuvre without training in a certain way because “he read about it on the internet”, frankly, is beyond help, I only hope they only kill themselves.

Biggin Hill

Also everything loose will go all over the cockpit if you do that.

No way could one do that with a TB20. It would take a good number of seconds to roll it around.

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rolling big stuff?

Dangerous to post such a title if you know there’s a language addict among the audience…



(only joking , of course)

Last Edited by at 28 Dec 22:35
EBZH Kiewit, Belgium

Peter wrote:

Also everything loose will go all over the cockpit if you do that.

No it will not. It is not a “ballistic” ride at all. You pull up at for instance 20 degree – then center the stick. The aircraft is now “trimmed” for 1 g positive (the stick is held in position for 1g). Then you apply full aileron while keeping the elevator constant. Even upside down, sideways or whatever, the aircraft will have a positive g vector pointing at the roof, the AOA does not change. That is also the dangerous part about it. If you suddenly center the ailerons when upside down, the aircraft will immediately nose down because both lift and gravity is pointing straight down (the aircraft will try to maintain that 1g positive). The aileron roll will draw a cork screw path in the air, similar to a barrel roll, but it’s definitely no barrel roll. A slow roll, is a roll where the aircraft draw a straight line path, then you will have -1g at one point.

Think of it like this: You trim for straight and level flight. Then suddenly by magic gravity disappear. The aircraft is still trimmed for one g, and what will happen is it will fly a 1g loop until you re-trim for zero g, which will be zero lift.

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ENVA ENOP ENMO, Norway

The (English) Wikipedia articles on rolls have a very illuminating illustration of the aircraft’s movements during the various kinds of rolls.

ESKC (Uppsala/Sundbro), Sweden

Someone I knew in Houston owned a Cessna 150 and decided one day, that he was going to roll it. (He’s dead now, but not due to aviation causes).

The one thing he did right that day was get up to a good altitude – like 5000 feet or so.

Somewhat predictably, he blew the manoevre. I’m not exactly sure what he had done, but the long and the short of it that when he realised he was in deep trouble he “let go of the controls and put his faith in God and the Cessna Engineers”. The aircraft recovered all by itself when he was down to about 1500 feet.

Andreas IOM

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