In the UK it is currently hand annotated PBN on your rating page e.g. IR-SPA-ME Class/SE/PBN
When the CAA next do a licensing transaction PBN will be printed as a comment on Instrument in the Remarks in Section XII – although I believe there is some debate about this as to whether the PBN qualification needs to be class or type linked (some people will have classes and types where they exercise PBN privileges)
I’d far rather do a PBN approach on my IR revals than other non precisions! We just need more available in the UK, Liverpool were very helpful this week when I went up there but there a huge geographical holes.
PeteD wrote:
I cannot fly class A
I don’t know what more to say. Yes you can. What you can’t fly is PBN routes.
Given the paucity of RNP approaches in the north-east, could you do it on a sim?
Timothy said:
Given the paucity of RNP approaches in the north-east, could you do it on a sim?
Discussed this a few posts back, apparently needs to to be full motion, approved FNPT not acceptable(????)….So non starter.
PBN is a candidate for the pointless regs thread….along with 8.33!
PeteD wrote:
PBN is a candidate for the pointless regs thread
I disagree. This reg is necessary and should have happened already several years ago. The problem (if there is one) is that some countries have been dragging their feet with the introduction of RNP approaches.
Also a general exemption for RNAV 5 would have been reasonable.
There has not been a spate of related accidents.
That is almost the definition of pointless regulation.
Timothy wrote:
That is almost the definition of pointless regulation.
Absolutely!!!!
PeteD wrote:
Well, thought I’d give that a try, spoke to CFT at Tatenhill as I’m there for radio fit next week. Apparently can’t be done in there approved FNPT flight simulator, apparently full motion required.
This doesn’t sound right. The law (FCL Appendix 7 and 9) says:
“To establish or maintain PBN privileges one approach in either Section 4 or Section 5 shall be an RNP APCH. Where an RNP APCH is not practicable, it shall be performed in an appropriately equipped FSTD”
It doesn’t say FFS. Why would it?
bookworm wrote:
It doesn’t say FFS. Why would it?
That’s what they told me…..usual UK gold plating by FTO’s, or whatever they are called today?
The USA has been pragmatic on what is essential for safe RNAV, and also you have to fly each approach your aircraft equipment allows (ILS, VOR, RNAV – most ADFs are placarded INOP in US aircraft so you don’t need to carry out an NDB) – so RNAV approaches have been part of IRs and IPCs for the last couple of decades.
My kitchen tabletop sim, with its force feedback controls and touch sensitive GTN750, would be perfectly adequate to assess a candidate’s ability to fly an RNP approach. Any more than that is pure gold plating.
I use it for serious training several times a week and, as a result, I find that most of my students are ready for test well within the minimum airborne hours.
PeteD, do yourself a favour, buy one, get it certified, and charge it out at £100 a session. You’ll be making pure profit in a few months.
