For those not familiar, these two did the Salisbury novichok poisoning and claimed they were in Salisbury to see the famous catherdral.
Airborne_Again wrote:
Sorry, but no. There is a documented use of the three crowns in Swedish coats-of-arms as early as 1336, which predates the Kalmar Union by 61 years! Also Denmark was the dominant part of the union, not Sweden.
Bla bla bla. We still say hmm 
By the way, if it was Russians who damaged their own pipelines, they didn’t even need to dive there, it would be easier to do from the inside, transporting a time bomb with the flow of gas.
dublinpilot wrote:
Of choose that would be an attack on a NATO state.
The attacks were done in Danish waters, so it IS an attack on NATO Territory.
dublinpilot wrote:
But they would surely want them to be turned on again after the war to replace the lost income.
If they actually envisage such a scenario? By the looks now, it does not appear that they consider those relations ever to be re-established but rather are looking into a direction of complete separation from the West for good. So blowing up pipelines is one part of this.
However, this thing is way to strange to draw conclusions so far. If it was someone else than Russia, the problem might be even worse. If, for argument’s sake, Ukraine has done this, it would constitute an attack onto at least partially the hand that feeds them, not to speak of NATO territory.
Ultranomad wrote:
if it was Russians who damaged their own pipelines, they didn’t even need to dive there, it would be easier to do from the inside, transporting a time bomb with the flow of gas.
Or quite possibly having installed charges when the pipeline was built for exactly this purpose. There are quite a few bridges in strategically important areas such as borders which used to be (and probably still are) equipped with self-destruct devices, so their use can be denied to the enemy. Why not use the same on gas pipelines
Peter wrote:
I am sure it’s not an accident but 100m is easily reached with trimix diving from a small diving boat, a fishing boat, etc. You don’t need a submarine to do this.
Not so sure. They are quite large in diameter, and very robust. There was a lot of pressure inside them, over 100bar. So the pressure could help to blow it up, but you need very effective cutting charges / det cord, and a lot of that. Not sure if a nitrox / trimix diver could deliver it down there. And the boat would have been visible from a satellite. This was done in secret.
No, I guess there was a submarine involved, plus a delivery vehicle or mini sub, and then some spec ops underwater demolition people. Not every nation can do that.
Looking at some photos, they are steel, ~2cm thick, and ~0.6m diameter. Obviously I don’t do this for a living but you don’t need a lot of TNT. The seismo people reckoned 100kg was used.
To just blow a hole in steel you need amazingly little. A 2cm hole in a 2cm high tensile steel needs a shaped charge just 2cm diameter and about 2cm long. That’s how anti tank missiles work so effectively.
I wish Tom Clancy was still alive.
This is interesting. The biggest heavy equipment supplier to Ukraine is the “USSR”:
With their recent offensive they have picked up a load of Russian 152mm stuff, which they were almost out of.
Mooney_Driver wrote:
The attacks were done in Danish waters, so it IS an attack on NATO Territory.
The leaks are in the Danish and Swedish economic zones, but in international waters.
Peter wrote:
Looking at some photos, they are steel, ~2cm thick, and ~0.6m diameter.
Sorry, but no. The inner diameter is 1.153mm, which is 1,15m. The outward diameter is 1.2m.
The report I read yesterday said that they are encased in concrete.
No idea if that’s true or not.
