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Is the fuel pump in the wrong place?

My question would be the opposite. Why do most low-wing aircraft have the pumps in series and not in parallel? On the face of it, the D140 system seems most natural.

It may have to do with the fact that, when placed in series, one can quickly remedy air bubbles by providing extra pressure and flow of proper fuel by switching on the aux pump, see my post above. When in parallel, there would be a part of the fuel system that could continue to contain bubbles which you may not want?

In the Bristell, the aux pump which is upstream from the engine-driven mechanical pump, has a by-pass circuit including a check valve so failure of the aux pump is not an issue. And I’m assuming that failure of the mechanical pump does not pose a risk either in that the aux pump will pump ‘through’ the mechanical pump, or there is a by-pass as well, need to check.

Last Edited by aart at 14 Feb 08:40
Private field, Mallorca, Spain

aart wrote:

It may have to do with the fact that, when placed in series, one can quickly remedy air bubbles by providing extra pressure and flow of proper fuel by switching on the aux pump, see my post above. When in parallel, there would be a part of the fuel system that could continue to contain bubbles which you may not want?

Only if the downstream pump is able to provide increased pressure over that of the upstream pump, which is by no means certain and wold depend on e.g. the design of the pump. But perhaps all pumps used in a downstream position in aircraft fuel systems work that way?

ESKC (Uppsala/Sundbro), Sweden

Why do most low-wing aircraft have the pumps in series and not in parallel?

The engine driven pump (the “high pressure pump”) can fail, and fail open, hence the need for the electric pump in series.

In fuel systems where there is no tank return, the electric pump (which is a gear pump) needs to have a spring loaded bypass inside, AFAIK, because the fuel servo needs a constant pressure feed. Its regulator could not stop a constant-volume feed.

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Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Neither of the aircraft being compared are fuel injected so regardless of which pump is in use the fuel pressure is something like 4 psig.

My carbureted plane’s fuel system incorporates check valves to allow parallel versus series flow. I haven’t looked further into it to determine how the mechanical and electrical pumps internally bypass (or not), and why the Jodel diagram does not show similar check valves. The Bendix/Facet (reciprocating?) pump shown in the Cherokee fuel system photo is available in a number of configurations that look the same externally.

Last Edited by Silvaire at 14 Feb 15:10

With the gascolator behind the engine a likely vapour lock spot, due to temperature, the more suction the greater the likelyhood of vapour lock.

Maoraigh
EGPE, United Kingdom

I am amazed how these fuel systems work. I mean, if you suck on a pipe with liquid, eventually you will reach the vapour pressure, and then nuffink comes up the pipe

Obviously the design (assuming there was ever a “design” – this is not assured ) assumes that the fuel has a certain vapour pressure, below which there will be too much of a “hill” to suck it up.

I know from water pumping scenarios that you can suck water up a pipe of somewhere around 5-10 m, but then water at +25C has a vapour pressure of just 24 millibars. Avgas can be up to 500mb, and “car petrol” according to google is “range of 8 to 14 psi” which is awfully close to sea level air pressure!

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Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom
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