The Telegraph in particular, is also very pro-Brexit.
Timothy – I have sailed to Sark – and past Little Sark. There are plenty of stories of those who have attempted a landing on Little Sark in their tender to be warned off and pointed in the direction of the signs on the shore. Who knows how much the Barclay’s assert their influence, but one can only imagine on such an issue as this – significantly. On the basis of their past history I suppose it isnt too surprising that they would support Brexit – is it? They are Thatcherites, and they would seem to fiercly protect their fifedom all of which might go hand in hand with a Sovreign nation. As I said earlier, I think the reports that Sovreignty was a major factor are justified, I find whenever I have a discussion with intelligent Brexiters Sovreignty is almost always a key issue, and when the person hasnt thought about it as deeply, it is often still a key issue. Whether we like our European friends or not, it would seem we really dont like bing told what to do by Brussels. Sovreignty is very low on my agenda, I think it is inward looking and would far rather embrace being part of the existing Union as much as I would far rather prefer to see Scotland remain part of the UK, but for many it is clearly a big deal. Whether kettles and cucumbers really had any infuence – well who knows, but I really dont like all the red tarmac.
I went to an excellent show by Kieran Hodgson at the Edinburgh Fringe this evening.
Essentially, he told the story of Brentry and the ‘75 referendum, making the point that very little in the argument has changed in 50 years.
Not making any point except that if anyone else is here, they should go; it is by far and away the best thing we have seen. Brilliant.
I am surprised. The Arguments may have been the same, but the campaigns were very different in terms of funding. The Brexiters had barely the proverbial pot. As is exactly the point you made earlier enough money and influence will shift ar least 15% of the voters, which is enough of a swing to get the result you want. I dont think the brexiters had a chance previously as it turned out, because the press and just about every business that counted were remainers, and so as is often the case, the arguments were irrelevant if there was no means of getting them over. Its a bit like going to court without a barrister and believing you will get justice. 
Ps i should have said the main tenants of loss of sovreignty, both political and economic havent changed, and again i would argue now as then this is the key issue.
Yes. All about sovereignty, but, as the older generation will remember, the Tory party was essentially pro Europe and Labour against.
The biggest Brexiteers were Enoch Powell (the arch racist and Little Englander of the time, whose politics were closer to National Socialism than to his Conservative membership) and Tony Benn (arch Socialist having been born an aristocratic).
The main Brentryist was Ted Heath, who had fought in the war and just wanted to make Europe safe from future wars.
But it isn’t the facts and history lesson which make it a great show, it is the quality of the writing and performance, including wonderful impersonations of all the main characters of the time.
I guess that it has been so well received in Edinburgh it might tour or go to London.
I think the word “facts” needs to be used way more sparingly, Timothy…
One example is what Ted Heath said about 1975, shortly before he kicked the bucket and when he could finally be honest about the presentation of the term “common market”.
Well here is a fact for the doom and gloom merchants. In the year to June 2018 our exports hit a record high of over £600 billion. Not bad for a country wishing to go its own way.
Fenland_Flyer wrote:
In the year to June 2018 our exports hit a record high of over £600 billion.
Yes. When sterling falls 10% it will tend to have this effect. It doesn’t alter the fact we’ve gone from the top of the growth league tables to near the bottom since the vote.
Fall in the £ will also hit household incomes, as it pushes up import prices, and, if it continues, there’s a growing likelihood of countries pulling their investments in the UK.
But I get a feeling we’ve visited this before.
I think that the nadir will be in about 2021, after which there will be a gradual improvement back to nearly where we were over a 15 year period.
Those 15 years will be miserable.
