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Conversion of a KX155/KX165 to 8.33 (merged)

Modification of a PLL to go to a thirth is quite difficult, going to 12.5 would like be fare more easy.

Simpple modification requires new PLL tuning, new software, new read out, and than you are only done for the frequency bit. You will also have to reduce the bandwith for both RX and TX, as suchs it would require different filtering.

If true it is a very nice project of a radio amateur to learn about technology, though no way economical as a modification / upgrade kit.

JP-Avionics
EHMZ

Modification of a PLL to go to a thirth is quite difficult, going to 12.5 would like be fare more easy.

Depends on the design. But Fractional N PLLs have been popular for decades…

You will also have to reduce the bandwith for both RX and TX, as suchs it would require different filtering

Why? I doubt 8.33 radios really switch TX bandwidths, they are bandlimited anyway to max 6kHz, and nobody has been advertising aviation radios with “HD Audio” 8-)

LSZK, Switzerland

But Fractional N PLLs have been popular for decades…

I don’t think these radios use fractional-N. That is something that’s necessary only if you are making e.g. a signal generator which goes up in 1Hz steps. And you get some filtering challenges – lots of patents around that filed by Marconi c. 20-30 years ago. Generating ~130MHz in 8.33kHz steps is absolutely trivial, using an off the shelf classical PLL chip.

I doubt 8.33 radios really switch TX bandwidths

I doubt that too. 2kHz would cover all voice requirements, except possibly somebody’s ex wife

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Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

that’s necessary only if you are making e.g. a signal generator which goes up in 1Hz steps

Not necessarily. If you use integer N, you’ll have to use max. 8.33kHz phase comparison frequency, thus much lower loop bandwidth, which means settling time will be long (not an issue for a voice radio), and your VCO will have to use a high Q inductor and very low 1/f noise. During the last 20 years or so fractional N has been absolutely standard. But then again the KX165 design is probably much older…

LSZK, Switzerland

I doubt they will use 8,33 kHz or a fraction of that as reference (not sure though), I would expect either the much more common 12,5 kHz or 25 kHz.

On band pass filtering, it is true that you won’t be transmitting 25 kHz HIFI audio, yet the KX-165A with 8,33 kHz has additional RX and TX filtering compared to the 25 kHz version. And they use a different local oscillator design, which also seem to suggest that as a standard it’s not just sending another N value to it.

JP-Avionics
EHMZ

2kHz would cover all voice requirements, except possibly somebody’s ex wife

Then 18kHz should be sufficient if she doesn’t operate at bat’s frequencies.

LDZA LDVA, Croatia
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