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Peter, The storage tanks I have available are similar the the Pressurecubes shown on our website: www.metano.com Go to the IBC rental tab, the IBC Index tab and look at P3 or Pressurecubes. The tanks I have available were the predecessors to this design and where the P3 is 800L (so 20 fit in a 20ft container) the older ones are much bigger 1200l and inside a frame. They are called PTCs and are made from 4mm stainless steel. The beauty of the PTCs are they are portable tank containers and obviate the need for bunding because they are ADR and IMO approved for the carriage of dangerous goods. The P3's have made the PTCs obsolete and we don't hire them out any more. We have about 8 left I believe, most have been sold or scrapped. They are free standing but could also be buried. I'd leave the free standing so you can move them about. My JCB could lift them full no problem. I'll try and find a picture of them and post it here. You will need a flame proof discharge pump and filter assembly, a good length of hose with a gun and an earthing lead, all easily obtained. As a matter of oblique interest, about 100 of the Metercubes (M3) on our website are hired to the Avgas supplier in Darwin, Australia supplying Avgas to Bathurst Island on a barge. We don't have M3's available as they are still a current rental design.

EGNS/Garey Airstrip, Isle of Man

Yes, I suppose 97 grade is not a specification as such...BP and She'll have different 97 grade seemingly

YPJT, United Arab Emirates

I was referring to fuels meeting the same specification. Avgas 100LL is very well defined and so are the standard fuels in Europe like EN 228 for Otto fuels (gasoline).

Some people think that their car runs better with fuel from e.g. BP than Shell but these people are just (censored)...

Maybe, but my Touareg will not run on 95 grade...and twice now using 97 grade from my local BP the knock sensor has caused the engine management light to come on...causing the engine to go into protection mode and requiring a reset....very annoying....never happens with Shell...or even Sainsbury's! Of course it may be an accidental? mixup at the BP station (how do you check?), bit I have friends who have had the same experience from the same BP garage

YPJT, United Arab Emirates

This is priceless info, STOLman, for anybody who wants to set up their own airfield/strip.

The way things are going, a lot of people are going to be doing that...

By "storage tank" do you mean above or below ground?

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Yes, I was going to suggest you do. I had to apply for a Petroluem Storage Licence for the bowser, if you store more than 20l of fuel then you need a licence - madness. It was £46. You have to do a risk assessment and have a visit from the local fire station. I was lucky, the local Fire Chief did my Risk Assessment for me free, except the bottle of Scotch I gave him. They make the site visits on a Wednesday night here on the island and that was duely arranged. I was shocked to see what turned up, 16 firemen and two appliances!!! Wednesday evening is obviously a "jolly". My wife made coffee for them all and in return they watered the garden emptying both appliances. They then refilled the appliances from the fire hydrant next to our house. Apparently, the local fire station has a water meter and they get charged! It was free from our hydrant. The world works in mysterious ways. How will you store the fuel, in the drums from Warter? If you do you will need a bunded area. My bowser is ADR approved and is doubled tanked so I did not need a bunded area. However, the whole area needs the proper signage, No Smoking, Petroluem Spirit highly inflammable etc etc. you need fire extinguishers with their annual certification. The Petroleum Licence lasts one year. To renew you get a visit. If you are buying a storage tank give me a call, I have loads of stainless steel vessels which are approved for Avgas storage in the 1000 - 1200l range.

EGNS/Garey Airstrip, Isle of Man

Many thanks STOLman, looks like I'll be applying for a storage licence now.

Norman
United Kingdom

Ok, pre suppose you have some Warter drums of fuel at your airport. Your next flight is abroad and you fill your plane full up from the drums and go DIRECTLY abroad you can reclaim the duty on the whole amount of fuel in your plane. You fly home again having maybe filled up abroad, maybe not. Once home you fill up from your drums and fly abroad again. So long as you correctly work the numbers making sure you are not double claiming on the same fuel you can claim a full tank again. However, you should inform HMRC about your Drum stache of fuel. This is harder to write than to do in practise.

EGNS/Garey Airstrip, Isle of Man

STOLman - this could be better,thanks. You mean I go foreign and return, do no internal flights apart from going foreign again, and claim full drawback? Most of my flying is touring, I could only claim £27 last time.

Norman
United Kingdom

Norman, I've just done a drawback claim including fuel filled from my bowser at home. The bowser is currently taken to Ronaldsway where it is filled and brought home. When I did the drawback claim I wrote to HMRC in Newcastle and they said it's all ok, just include the invoice for filling the bowser. So, if you buy from Warter you will get an invoice. That's all you need to complete the drawback claim as normal. I think I'll give Warter a go. I have a container rental business, I've asked Warter for a price to load my container in Poland, it's fallen on deaf ears so far. Ian

EGNS/Garey Airstrip, Isle of Man
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