Passed (too) two!

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showing it as such to show that the 14 ATPL exams were not done, to make sure that if you do a CPL later you do get into the special dead-end CPL/IR which can never become an ATPL

This is actually shown in the “remarks” section (XIII) of the license.

I agree that nothing should be shown apart from IR. An IR is an IR is an IR.

Bravo !

I would do the full ATPL exams (for the final reason in your list) if it was possible through self-study without involving an approved ground school.

Wasn’t it so that training towards the CB-IR, and experience gained from it cannot be used towards a CPL-IR? In other words a PPL withCB-IR would need to do the IR all over again should he want to pursue a CPL/ATPL?

You absolutely can now go on and do the EASA CPL, 13 exams and the training and the CPL test.

Then you will have a CPL/IR.

But, because

• the 7 CB IR exams you have done are not a subset of the 14 ATPL exams (except HP&L), and
• the 13 CPL exams you will do for the CPL are not a subset of the 14 ATPL exams (except HP&L and Met)

your CPL/IR, while in every respect being a CPL/IR, cannot be used to gain an ATPL (done via the standard EASA route of starting with a CPL/IR and logging 1500hrs of which 500 are in a multi pilot cockpit).

So if you want the ATPL, you will need to do the 14 ATPL exams! (Except HP&L and Met so “only” 12 ) and then get a RHS job with a jet operator, unless you are John Travolta in which case you can do the 500hrs in a sim.

I hope I got this right… the point I was trying to make earlier is that the situation has not changed at all since the JAA PPL/IR, which started around 2000, yet that one was marked in your license as “IR” not “PPL/IR” etc etc. I did mine in 2011 and it is marked “IR”

I can fully understand ATO business protection but why do it now and not in year 2000? The 7 old JAA/IR exams were not a subset of the 14 either (except, again HP&L).

I have a feeling the reason is that the “system” realised that nobody keeps track of old exam passes, not least because you can sit them anywhere in EASA-land, so this is done to prevent cheating. But it could also be the old fear of “the skies filling up with Cessna 150s” as a result of the CB IR… I have heard that one in various ATC presentations. They used to say that about VLJs but I think everybody has now realised that is a dead horse.

The bigger Q is why would you want an ATPL?

• to get a job with a company that requires it
• to be LHS in a transport jet (Part 25 only maybe?)
• the 14 ATPL exam passes are a way to get the HPA (needed for privately flown turboprops and jets, April 2016 on)
• to be the most qualified instructor in a flying school, when competing for students
• to satisfy your sado masochistic inner self

Realistically I cannot see any PPL-only pilot aged anywhere near 50 wanting the full 14-exam ATPL – because they are too old to get a job that needs it.

Congrats!

Congrats.

From EASA: There is no rating called cbr-ir! It is an IR, CBR is just a way to get it.

Congrats Aviathor