but I would not buy a turbo (TB21) based on what I know now.
100%. Me neither, and I had the choice (SR22 or TB, doesn’t matter). And if PETER (who flies at least 2 x times as much as me) says that .. and is more ambitious in his flights, then it’s even more true for myself.
You only have to see both a SR22 NA and a T model in the shop with the cowling off. Shops really love the NA model because its so easy to work on. It’s probably 300 parts less under the cowling …
I very much like Mac and his writing, but note that “FIKI” is a US term which implements a legal mapping between
This has little or no meaning in Europe, which does not have
BTW, there are very few SEPs that have boots, except AFAIK the PA46 and some long-out-of-production models.
But the most important message of that article, for me anyway, is the (stupid?) distinction between “known ice” and “ice”. well, everytime i flew into ice it “unknown”, or i would not have flown into it.
IMHO, the “known ice” idea is not a very precisce science …
Peter wrote:
The name of this thread is a contradiction!If you are legally VFR, you cannot get structural icing. That happens only below 0C and in IMC.
Really? What have I missed? If I had titled the thread “what are the pros and cons of learning to fly in IMC for a VFR pilot” would you say “That is a contradiction. If you are legally VFR, you cannot fly in IMC”?
Also I said I was a VFR pilot with aspirations to fly IR. At some point I will be a VFR pilot in IFR training and might well find myself flying with an FI below 0C in IMC legally as a VFR pilot. In fact I will insist on it. I like to pick my battles when the odds are on my side
Also there will hopefully be a world post-IR when this current VFR pilot will find himself legally in icing conditions. So where’s the contradiction? I don’t think you have made your case but please feel free to educate me. That’s why I am here
It’s just that the title is misleading, tinfoil. By definition a VR pilot will never need a de-icing system (Of course you explained what you mean, but the title itself is a contradiction)
I have fixed the title
Now it is a feature, not a bug.
Peter wrote:
I have fixed the title
Thank you Peter. You are most gracious
Flyer59 wrote:
20 l between 150 and 200 Euros
You can definitely get it cheaper (roughly 6 € per liter for anything from 5 to 200 liters).
BeechBaby wrote:
A FIKI bird would not have made that trip any other way either.
I wouldn’t be so sure about that. Deicing can handle moderate, but not severe, by definition (from FAA; they are funny since moderate for an airliner might not be moderate for me and vice versa). TKS is, however, at a disadvantage because it works only for a limited amount of time. Once you reach -20, -25 °C, you shouldn’t get more ice (you can, of course, but it’s abnormal). This is where turbo would come in handy. And if you’re planning on flying in the soup, radar wouldn’t hurt. I’m not saying departing into something like this is the best idea, but I’m sure there are plenty of people who would do it (and did, otherwise how would you know there is moderate to severe icing?).
PS: And don’t forget that in that article “non-FIKI” was still TKS equipped.
Once you reach -20, -25 °C, you shouldn’t get more ice
-15 °C actually,
Except the PA-46 there IS no SEP with radar. Satellite weather will be ok for most flights
-15 °C actually,
NOT TRUE
Also let’s remember to not get ahead of “ourselves” here, in this thread. The sort of planes that have radar belong into another thread: “hard IFR aircraft”. By all means start a thread on how to do really hard IFR. I won’t be posting on it because I don’t do it.
