IFR to Ibiza LEIB feasibility

Peter wrote:

The Spanish handlers find ways to get around the legal requirement to provide “minimum handling”, by setting up cartels among the handlers.

I really don’t think things are that bad. I’ve used Aviapartner MAH in Mahon Menorca and I found them to be helpful, efficient in dealing with authorities (I had an issue with the tower not ‘’finding my flight plan’’ despite RocketRoute confirming it was in the Eurocontrol system which turned out to be entirely the towers problem not having checked with the airport that the system was offline…)
They even mailed my a pair of sunglasses which my Ms left behind as they escorted us through security. Pricey? for sure compared to a 100GBP burger run in the UK but then you are going into a nice place which is a small island which comes with it’s logistic difficulties. With the EuroGA database now up and running all of us should be able to get a fair idea of what the cost are we will should be expecting to see.

pilotrobbie wrote:

find me the procedure and the contacts for Iberia Ibiza

I actually found “you” in the forums. I will gladly do something for you though:
The contacts are those in AIP
The procedure is less complex than it looks but it is similar to this:

For Ibiza using “El Cheapo” handling: you have to send email to Iberia Handling indicating flight details for arrival and ideally departure from Ibiza, incl POB. Request only “Servicio de Acompañamiento” from airplane to terminal (and back when departing) . Cash probably wont work. Be careful to not request anything else or different, cos then you are in “unprotected fee territory” . Also indicate billing details, if any, and indicate you will pay by card on departure. They will eventually confirm back. If they dont, try again and if they dont, phone them. Then when arriving, give them a phone call on the ground 10 mins before you need them to pick you up and…wait for them to come . If not coming after 15-20 mins, insist on the phone and they will eventually come. Always remind them you are only requesting “servicio de acompañamiento” .

For paying landing fees you need to get a draft invoice before departure. Then pay online. Details follow
Email with details (flights, type, #crew, #pax, as well as MTOW, then request draft invoice to pay online with “pago a pie de avion”): [email protected]

Sometimes they wont give you the invoice unless within 2 hrs of departure

Once you have draft invoice and know exact amount then use

https://wwwssl.aena.es/csee/Satellite?Language=ES_ES&pagename=TPV_Pagos_Aeropuertos
for concetp use “pago a pie de avion” or “payment at the doors of the plane”
If after getting draft invoice or after paying you change departure time more than one hour then invoice has to change so you need to request a new one and pay the delta

For getting back to airplane you need to call Iberia 10 mins before you need them then go to security control next to check in desk #1

The security guy there does not know much so you will have to tell him you are awaiting Iberia agent to accompany you to aircraft. Hopefully the IB guy will come soon, bring a form for you to fill all details and if you reminded him on the ophoen to brin g the card payment machine perhaps he did bring it , otherwise hell have to go back for it so you can pay him

Even better you can bring the form pre-filled-in. Pasted here for convenience

. It has to be on paper though since the security guy has to keep his copy, Maybe you can email it to Iberia and ask them to print, but it may or may not work, perhaps he forgot to print….you know…

Good if you send IB an email reminder that you will need them a couple of hours in advance.

Last: dont expect evreyone to be fluent in English…

Take care and take into account all @LFHNFlightStudent said

Ah, forgot one additional detail: if you are flying in IFR (not recommended) you need slot approval. Elcheapo handler will not do that for you. GA handler will.

Cancel IFR in advance of approach and avoid the hassle is my advice.

Our American friends here must be ROFL by now

aart wrote:

Our American friends here must be ROFL by now

Definitely.

I’m all for flying GA, but I’m also for „pick your battles“.

Take one of the crap airlines to Ibiza, and fly to LDLO or LJPZ yourself instead. Just my 0.2.

Snoopy wrote:

„pick your battles“

Yes and no. I am more on the “pick how to fight your battles” in terms of airport destinations.

I am a firm believer that ALL airports should have some accessibility to GA or a nearby IFR alternative. Ibiza has zero alternative. I use it maybe a couple of times a year, but no matter how cumbersome it is, for me it is important to send the message to:

-Police
-Airport management and AENA
-Handlers
-Security
….

that the airport is OPEN and ACCESSIBLE to GA.

The alternative (giving Ibiza , or any other location, up as a GA destination) is not an option for any of us in GA.

If paying what some consider an unbearable price (the above crazy procedure) is what it takes then so be it, but at least we keep it open.

FRAPORTing of airports must be stopped.

Yes there is GA outside these airports, but as discussed elsewhere FRAPORTing is the beginning of the end for GA as a means of transportation.

Antonio wrote:

If paying what some consider an unbearable price (the above crazy procedure) is what it takes then so be it, but at least we keep it open.

FRAPORTing of airports must be stopped.

And it still beats CheapyJet or any of the other airlines to rock up in your own ride…