So, since we have that unbelievable weather in the north and east of Europe right now (15 hours of sunshine a day and 30+ degrees, even in Scandinavia!) I am considering to fly to southern Norway tomorrow.
Obviously, I know the VFR guide and I have been to Norway previously. Still, some more questions to those who have real world, recent experience:
Oslo Kjeller:
I will get PPR. Is there any difficulty in getting PPR for flights during the week at all?
Re avgas, the AIP says: “100LL avaialble for statoil key holders”. I don’t have that, so I guess I need the assistance of someone from the aeroclub?
Is it possible to get tax-free Avgas at Kjeller if going international after that?
Bergen:
Reading the AIP, I gather that: handling not manadatory for private flights. Good. But how does it effectively “work” on the ground? I read that it really doesn’t work well at all.
No slot required if flying VFR. Good. I might do that.
It’s still not clear to me whether I still need a PPR for parking. Well, I guess I will just drop them an email to be sure.
How does paying landing fees and parking fees work? Or is it better to just depart and wait for the bill to arrive via mail?
Again: Is it possible to get tax-free Avgas at Bergen if going international after that?
Transport to Bergen city? I guess there are frequent busses.
Finally: any other must see places south of Bergen that I should incorporate into the trip? I have been to Sogndal, Fyresdal and Notodden previously.
Thanks!
boscomantico wrote:
Oslo Kjeller:I will get PPR. Is there any difficulty in getting PPR for flights during the week at all?
Is it possible to get tax-free Avgas at Kjeller if going international after that?
No difficulty getting the PPR. No tax-free AvGas AFAIK. Ask Per-Inge when you call for the PPR. To my knowledge the only way to get AvGas at ENKJ is by having an AirBP card or making new friends.
boscomantico wrote:
Bergen:Reading the AIP, I gather that: handling not manadatory for private flights. Good. But how does it effectively “work” on the ground? I read that it really doesn’t work well at all.
No slot required if flying VFR. Good. I might do that.
It’s still not clear to me whether I still need a PPR for parking. Well, I guess I will just drop them an email to be sure.
The PPR is a formality. They are extremely accomodating and will go out of their way to find you a spot. And even if you needed a slot, the time is pretty loose. Expect to have to orbit while they land IFR traffic. Instead of doing a constant turn I recommend a “downwind hold”, ie. a rectangular pattern parallel to the downwind where you turn away from the runway abeam the threshold. Will spare your passengers the discomfort of orbiting for 20 minutes. IIRC you will be met by a marshaller which will precede you to the “technical area” around the AvGas pump and either assign you parking alongside a fence or on one of the old fighter pods. A bus will come to pick you up and drive you to the terminal. Call the number in the AIP and talk to the friendly people there.
boscomantico wrote:
How does paying landing fees and parking fees work? Or is it better to just depart and wait for the bill to arrive via mail?Again: Is it possible to get tax-free Avgas at Bergen if going international after that?
At all the Avinor airports you pay the fees using their website prior to the flight. If you are below MTOW 2600 kg or so, and operate non-commercial flight, and are member of some aeroclub (AOPA, PPL/IR do qualify), you do not have to pay for parking.
Talk to the friendly people at OPS or call the fuel operator number for tax-free gas. I doubt it applies, though.
boscomantico wrote:
Transport to Bergen city? I guess there are frequent busses.
Airport shuttle. There are vending machines in the arrival hall, near the exit. Buy a round-trip.
PPR. Be sure to use register etc the service MyPPR. Rather new thing, but it makes PPR at different airports a child’s game compared to the old method (finding phone numbers, etc etc). It’s free to use. I have used it only a couple of times so far, worked perfectly each time. Kjeller is there, along with several other. And more are coming
Hi Bosco,
My wisdom is two years old but a few thoughts:
- I bought the seasonal weekly pass from Avinor for our trip which made sense and covered all fees in Bergen and elsewhere.
- Stavanger has a pump that we used to buy avgas. No reason to go land side. Just taxi to fuel and leave to Bergen. Slot was created on the fly over the radio..
- Bergen ground shuttle was impressive as they picked us up with a 100 seat bus but returning to the plane was a challenge in Bergen terminal. Information counter had no idea about “little planes” and in the end a police man helped us to get to right place.
Have a safe trip!
Thanks all. Trip wil now l start on Wednesday. As often, preparations are quite involved, but of course, I do like that as part of “flying”.
Things already done:
-PPR for Kjeller
-hotel in Oslo
-PPR for Bergen
-bus tickets for Bergen
-hotel for Bergen
Things still to do:
-(advance) pay landing fees at Bergen
-advise Norwegian customs for landing at Kjeller
-advise customs for departure from my home airport
-flightplans (the easiest bit)
-sort fuel
-pack my shorts
-find out about things to do/see in Oslo and Bergen
-etc.
The weather is really incredible up there these days. Whoever has the time should head up to Scandinavia or the Baltics right now…
Just a small point – it appears that you do not need to pay the landing fees in advance.
You can set the date also retrospectively on the website (for both single and weekly fees).
boscomantico wrote:
Things still to do:
-(advance) pay landing fees at Bergen
They are not landing fees but departure fees you should pay prior to departure.
-advise Norwegian customs for landing at Kjeller
Since you have read the VFR guide I am sure you already know that, but you only need to mail your flight plan to customs 4 hours prior to departure.
And do not fall for this temptation:
Aircraft shall not depart before the time stated in the FPL without prior permission from the Customs service. Persons who arrive with the aircraft shall not leave the aircraft prior to the arrival time stated in the FPL. (source: VFR Guide for Norway)
-advise customs for departure from my home airport
-flightplans (the easiest bit)
-sort fuel
-pack my shorts
-find out about things to do/see in Oslo and Bergen
Bergen
Oslo
Well, I am back in Germany from a superb little trip to Oslo and Bergen, during this record high pressure phase and southern Scandinavian heat wave, which will go into the history books up there.
First of all, thanks for all the pointers, in particular to Aviathor! Everything went fine and just as planned. Both Kjeller airport and Bergen airport were fine.
We didn’t like Oslo all that much as a city, but it didn’t matter, as we spent most of the day swimming and sunbathing anyway. Bergen – although very touristic of course – was fantastic. The scenery is unique. Of course, the weather helped a lot. Again, we spent half the day swimming and sunbathing, but also went up to Flöien which is a magic place indeed.
Don’t know if I’ll write a trip report here. I have tons of good photos of course. Let’s see. In any case, I will at least share some technical notes on the airports we used (Kjeller, Bergen and Kjevik) as soon as I have a little bit of time, just to round up this thread.
For now, just a few iphone shots…
Oslo:
Bergen:
Enroute:
boscomantico wrote:
We didn’t like Oslo all that much as a city, but it didn’t matter
I do understand you… I have always thought that the two good things about Oslo are
Also the fact that it is a relatively small town…
As promised, some notes, both on the airports used and on the two cities.
Kjeller (ENKJ)
Bergen-Flesland (ENBR):
Kristiansand Kjevik (ENCN) (we used this airport for refuelling, before heading back home to Germany):
Oslo city:
Bergen city:
A final note on the flying: the scenery in rural southern Norway (i.e. south of the line Oslo, Sogndal, Bergen) is amazing. No need to go further north if you don’t have the time. Do these flights VFR, low level. But remember you will be in a very remote area. That said, even at low levels, we always managed to maintain radio contact with Norway Control.
Hope this is useful for others heading up that way.