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Why has satellite phone technology stalled?



They just launched the next 10 Iridium NEXT satellites.

This link says they expect an improvement of data speeds of 2.4 kbps in current Iridium phone models to 512 kbps on future marine terminal models.

You just need to install a gyro-stabilized auto-aligning dish on top of your aircraft…. no problem!

Should only cost a couple of knots…

Last Edited by AnthonyQ at 13 Oct 03:58
YPJT, United Arab Emirates

A bunch of ten more Iridium sats just went up. The video below has a nice bit of info on the ADS-B coverage that this new network will provide at 9:00 minutes into the video.



How many satellites do they need to become a player in the mobile data department?

Monitoring ADS-B should surely be possible with a geostationary satellite? Just rent a low bandwidth channel on one of the many sitting out there in orbit…

BTW, @AnthonyQ, that pic is Inmarsat, which is geostationary and has a huge bandwidth – at a huge price. So huge that even MH370’s operator wasn’t willing to pay for all airborne time coverage

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Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Yes, I know….being in the marine business…

YPJT, United Arab Emirates

Peter wrote:

Monitoring ADS-B should surely be possible with a geostationary satellite? Just rent a low bandwidth channel on one of the many sitting out there in orbit…

Problem is how do you get to them to install the ADS-B receiver… you can’t economically get to them once they are floating out in space.

Then picking up ADS-B from 35,000 km away (geostationary) is perhaps a bit much too ask? Iridium NEXT is at an altitude of 780 km from which they expect to achieve global ADS-B coverage.

That will be pretty revolutionary. It’s basically like an ATC radar environment… everywhere!?

Peter wrote:

Monitoring ADS-B should surely be possible with a geostationary satellite?

Not easily, I would have thought, at least without a purpose built system. The antennas on planes for ADS-B aren’t designed to be radiating straight up into space, the received signals will be extremely feeble, and you’d be seeing half the world’s ADS-B transmissions on top of each other at the same time (unless you could scan with a very directional antenna). From LEO the job’s got to be a lot easier – signal strength much higher and each individual satellite in the constellation will only be seeing a relatively small number of ADS-B transmitters at a time.

Last Edited by alioth at 27 Dec 15:38
Andreas IOM

The NSA seems to have no issue picking up mobile phones from space, so this is probably just a matter of whether it is worth doing.

However I recall seeing an ADS-B demo at EDNY where a single antenna (a vertical rod) was picking up ADS-B over a radius of some 500-1000nm, so a few such stations would cover all of Europe. Not all the way down to surface of course; the curvature of the earth limits that, so it would depend on the objective (e.g. jet transports enroute and maybe in terminal areas). I can’t see anyone doing it to pick up GA given that almost nobody is radiating it and GA traffic is generally of little interest given that most of it is OCAS and ADS-B OUT is never likely to be mandated for OCAS.

Hence I wonder what the drive was behind using the Iridium sats for ADS-B IN. Maybe it was a cheap thing to add, and there may be oddball factors e.g. U.S. national security / worldwide traffic surveillance, plus whatever fallout came out of the MH370 event which was a huge scandal, with a 777 simply vanishing into thin air (which itself has huge national security implications if it can be done easily).

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Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Peter wrote:

The NSA seems to have no issue picking up mobile phones from space

The NSA also have a massively larger budget! (and if they are using satellites to monitor cellphones, rather than the easier step than just asking AT&T and others for a simple feed from their datacentres), then they are probably doing it from an LEO constellation rather than geostationary orbit.

Andreas IOM

Peter wrote:

The NSA seems to have no issue picking up mobile phones from space, so this is probably just a matter of whether it is worth doing.

I don’t think this is what it seems. Mobile (literally) as a GSM is, and with the very low transmission power (<1 Watt) you’d have a hard time keeping a directional antenna pointed to the cell phone. Further it is encrypted.

What they are capable of doing in reality probably is intercepting the microwave links of the telco’s internal network through which the mobile phone conversations are transported.

Peter wrote:

Hence I wonder what the drive was behind using the Iridium sats for ADS-B IN.

Room to spare on the satellite and I guess the next revolution in the ATC world… worldwide ADS-B coverage provides a ‘radar’ environment… everywhere!

In the video I linked just above he shows about how big the ADS-B payload is on the actual satellite.

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