I’m a copa member. I haven’t found the perfect plane yet but the Cirrus is close. This particular one is a bit closer as it is in good condition and, sharing the cost with a few others, financially possible. Excel gives me 16k a year fixed costs and 199€/h operating cost.
- not an oldtimer
- reasonable speed (sr20 = honest 140 knots)
- ifr avionics
- comfortable cabin
- plan b (chute)
To fly once a week to Italy/Slovenia/Croatia for fun would work in good weather.
Concerning maintenance there are a few options around. Prebuy I’ve been told is best done at Cirrus Netherlands.
Mooney_Driver wrote:
Well, the manual tells us how long it takes to get to 14000 ft: 24 minutes. 17000 ft is another 3000 ft. The POH gives around 300 fpm at 14000 ft after a MTOW departure and per regs the service ceiling needs at least 200 ftm, so lets say 250 fpm. so 12 minutes to climb to 17000 ft. 36 minutes.
PDF Page 138 has 14k feet at 34min with a climb rate of 148fpm and deteriorating… not sure you’d make it to 17k in 36min. I used to fly an SR20 and anything past 10k started feeling like a treck
reasonable speed (sr20 = honest 140 knots)
Check the fuel flow for that number. The TB20 does 138kt IAS on 11.7 USG/hr, at low level, say 2000ft. That is slightly LOP. It is about 60% power and this is how I fly everywhere (low level VFR stuff).
Snoopy wrote:
To fly once a week to Italy/Slovenia/Croatia for fun would work in good weather.
Yep, for that this plane is pretty good.
Snoopy wrote:
(sr20 = honest 140 knots)
Depends how you operate it. 145 I’d say and 150 optimum.
Looking at the POH would suggest otherwise.
75% @ 11.6 GPH 65% @ 10.5 GPH:
2000 ft 147 kt……139kt
4000 ft 150 kt……141kt
6000 ft 152 kt……143kt
8000 ft 155 kt……145kt
10000ft…………….147kt
12000ft…………….150kt
Best power
55% 8.4 GPH
2000 ft 130 kt
4000 ft 131 kt
6000 ft 134 kt
8000 ft 136 kt
10000ft 139kt
12000ft 141kt
14000ft 144kt
So the sweet spots are clear:
Speed: 75% 8000 ft 155 kt 11.6GPH 627NM
Range: 55% 14000 ft, 144 kt, 8.6 GPH 785 NM
Normal: 65% 12000 ft, 150 kt, 10.6 GPH, 666 NM
Basically I’d make that 155 high speed cruise, 150 normal and 140 long range.
I’d try the individual airplane as a reference for later. You got all you need in these, FF, TAS and so on. Set the power note the values and work out the fuel and speed bias.
I did that after I got the Aspen and had to notice: The POH is right after all….
TimR wrote:
PDF Page 138 has 14k feet at 34min with a climb rate of 148fpm and deteriorating… not sure you’d make it to 17k in 36min. I used to fly an SR20 and anything past 10k started feeling like a treck
LOL, different POH and different figures :) then the service ceiling should be 14 k and not 17 k like in limitations. That would be limiting indeed.
Most 200 hp planes feel like trucks above a certain altitude, mine is also not very jumpy anymore, but 15000 ft any day. My POH sais 17k service ceiling and tables go to 15k and that is confirmed, but its only 180 hp anyhow.
