Good to know !
Thanks for the input.
Hope the approach went well for you too.
In that case, is it right to call this STAR conventional and P-RNAV ?
Hi,
I had the same issue on Monday on my GNS430W/G500 with the STARs at LIMP.
I sent an email to Jeppesen support and I got this feedback. The arrivals are not included in the databases because the DME arc refers to an ILS/DME and not a VOR/DME.
Hope it helps.
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The BETMU 1B, LUPOS 4B and MISPO 4B arrivals are not in the database because of the Arc in these arrivals.
Arc transitions require an AF leg type which requires a recommended navaid. Per the ARINC 424 recommended navaid table, the rec nav would need to be a VOR DME VHF navaid . The arc transition for the STARs however is based on IPR which is an ILS DME not a VOR DME, therefore unfortunately these procedures are not codable.
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Peter,
Would you manually enter the GPS points (MP40x…) if you were to fly that arrival ?
Or rely only on radio instruments ?
The KLN94 has no RNAV STARs in its database.
It does contain their waypoints e.g. MP406. MP409, so obviously you can load them into the flight plan manually, but that isn’t legal because the KLN94 doesn’t have the FAA RNAV LOA. The only box from that era which got the FAA LOA was the GNS430/530. Maybe the KLN90B?
Garmin: “This exclusions report is for the Navigation Database by Jeppesen”.
AFAIK databases from Honeywell get their informations from Jeppesen as well. This means also the KLN 94 could be affected ?
I thought that this
https://avdb.garmin.com/docs/garmin_data_exclusions.html
will provide the answer to question of missing STAR. However there’s no LIMP in this notice.
PetitCessnaVoyageur wrote:
- TZO VOR was out of service, so couldn’t be use to fly the outbound leg from OSBUL
There is a colocated NDB and indeed the textual description of the routing at the bottom of the plate says that you can alternatively use the VOR or NDB for course guidance between OSBUL and MP406. So actually all navaids needed to fly the STAR was operational.
Thanks Jason for your input.
So, definitely not a WAAS vs nonWAAS limitation, or database corruption, here.
Now, I would really like to read about the Jeppesen reasons for not coding some official arrivals, and probably departures and approaches. Maybe somewhere is more familiar with the way they work ?
Also, I wonder if some of you check the database before the flight, to see what he has got and what lacks. Also, if there is a way to check the list without accessing the aircraft.
