Peter wrote:
Worth noting that the above ATO requirement exists if you do not have the 50hrs PIC IFRIf you have less than 50 hrs IFR-PIC, but more than 10 hrs IFR-PIC in European airspace, you do not need an ATO either.
Worth noting that the above ATO requirement exists if you do not have the 50hrs PIC IFR. If you do have the 50hrs then you can do it all “freelance”, and it avoids the risk of the ATO “milking you” for “training as necessary”.
Peter wrote:
Do we have a clear thread here describing the BASA FAA IR to Euro IR route which avoids the 50hrs IFR PIC?
In a nutshell, for the SEP-IR (assuming you have < 50 hrs IFR-PIC, otherwise it is basically the CB-IR-based conversion process):
In case you have less than 10 hours of IFR PIC-time in European airspace, you need to do acclimatization flying with an ATO. The ATO determines the amount of training necessary.
But basically isn’t it the ICAO IR to CB IR conversion route – example.
I also think that something may happen one day on this, because shafting pilots who did their training fully IAW EASA requirements in this way is manifestly unjust.
CharlieRomeo wrote:
Did I understand you correctly in that you have completed all of the training for the CPL(A), including the skill test, and are asking Austrocontrol to use this for the issue of the License?
I completed the training for CPL(A), together with course completion certificate, but I have NOT tested yet.
All training (and the ST will be) performed in SEP(land).
I am intending on using the same CPL(A) skills test, in the UK, with a dual UK/EASA approved examiner, to apply for both UK and EASA CPL licences.
CharlieRomeo wrote:Do you already know the region you want to move to?
There are several possibilities: Spain, Poland or Germany at the moment.
Peter wrote:
There are many past threads on this topic – examples
Sure but none of those threads cover a case of a student who did his ME-IR training while in EASA, who has an EASA ATO ME-IR course completion certificate, who tested while in EASA and who then had his licence become non-EASA at a later date…
Regarding your question about the night rating: A CPL(A) does automatically include a night rating, as the training course does include the five hours night training (if you don’t already have one) as per Appendix 3 to Part-FCL.
Did I understand you correctly in that you have completed all of the training for the CPL(A), including the skill test, and are asking Austrocontrol to use this for the issue of the License?
If yes, it should come with SEP(land) on it, because I assume your skill test has been done in one.
It might be easier to get a SE IR first, to keep your ATPL credit from expiring. The regs only say you have to hold an IR, not necessarily a multi engine one.
Do you already know the region you want to move to?
Snoopy wrote:
I don’t know if the CB-IR ME above requires a prior ME Classrating?!
It doesn’t. But it does require having completed the 6h MEP training. The MEP rating need not be on the licence.
This is my case as I obtained the ME-IR first, issued on my licence, and then completed the MEP skills test at a later date. Although possible, this must be very odd because the examiner was pretty confused when he saw my licence.
Snoopy wrote:
Your UK ME IR is a valid ICAO IR, right? You have prior IR Instruction (1) and IR PIC time (2)?*1 → 15 of 40 hours can be credited
*2 → 30 of 40 hours can be creditedEither → ATO → CB-IR SE 10 hours → SE IR Skill Test → MEP Classrating → ME IR Skill Test or
ATO → CB-IR 10 ME hours → ME IR Skill Test
Thanks Snoopy.
My UK ME-IR is a valid ICAO IR, yes.
I have:
(1) 51 hours of instrument instruction (of which 21 in aeroplanes and 30 in FNPT II simulator)
(2) 4 hours of PIC IFR time
BTW: this instrument instruction time was completed at an EASA ATO in the UK before 2021, if that’s worth anything. And the CBIR CCC is dated in March 2020. Is it not still valid? Could I not just use that CBIR Course Completion Certificate and go on an ME-IR skills test in EASA with an EASA examiner?
If I do the second route you mention, will I also get a MEP class rating alongside my ME-IR rating? Also, does ME-IR also include SE-IR, or are they independent?
Finally, does an IR already “include” a night rating, or will I have to get the night rating separetely? Or does the CPL “include” a night rating?
Snoopy wrote:
For FAA to EASA IR there is a greatly reduced theory exam (iirc)? I don’t know if this is applicable for FAA to EASA or any ICAO IR to EASA?!
Well I still have my UK ATPL theoretical exams (until October this year). Austro Control have confirmed they will accept them for my CPL application. That’s enough, correct?
