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What will FAA IRs / N-reg pilots do in the UK after 21 December 2021?

However, the thread title includes “IR”.

Can you use a PPL/IR with the PMD?

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom
Paris/Essex, France/UK, United Kingdom

So, yes, as discussed further back, a PPL + IMCR + PMD will do these pilots for flying within the UK (no Class A but can fly approaches, and all other types of “IFR”) and then they can fly on their FAA papers outside UK airspace.

The PMD saves a few hundred quid a year relative to a CAA Class 2, and may enable some to fly when they could not otherwise.

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Peter wrote:

So, yes, as discussed further back, a PPL + IMCR + PMD will do these pilots for flying within the UK (no Class A but can fly approaches, and all other types of “IFR”) and then they can fly on their FAA papers outside UK airspace.

The PMD saves a few hundred quid a year relative to a CAA Class 2, and may enable some to fly when they could not otherwise.

However, confusingly, the CAA Guidance makes no mention of being able to fly N-Reg in the UK on either of:

1) A UK part-FCL PPL with a PMD

2) A UK non part-FCL PPL at all (regardless of medical)

The guidance specifically mentions that to fly an N-Reg in UK airspace as a UK resident you will need both a Valid UK Part-FCL PPL and a UK Part-MED medical certificate Class 2 min for PPL

So unless there is clarification the guidance seems to preclude Non-Part-FCL PPL’s completely, and UK Part-FCL PPL’s with PMD’s

So by definition, IMC Ratings as attached to Non Part-FCL PPL’s would not be useable, as the underlying licence is not useable, but the equivalent IR/R on a UK Part-FCL PPL with a full medical, is useable.

Now I don’t understand why this is, perhaps the guidance is incomplete?

https://www.caa.co.uk/Commercial-industry/Pilot-licences/Non-UK-licences/Recognition-of-ICAO-third-country-licences-in-UK-airspace/#4294992428-accordioncollapse-3

Last Edited by Pilot-H at 12 Apr 22:57

A UK non–Part-FCL pilot’s licence which includes, inter alia, an SEP is valid iaw art 3(3) of the UK Aircrew Regulation.

London, United Kingdom

Can it have an IR on it?

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Yes.

London, United Kingdom

OK, and obviously the UK national PPL complies with FAR 61.3 so that is another option. The medical requirement remains ambigiuous.

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Take care not to confuse the UK NPPL with the UK non–Part-FCL PPL. An IR cannot be included in a UK National Private Pilot’s Licence. Also, the UK non–Part-FCL CPL automatically includes IMC rating privileges. The medical requirements are clearly specified in art 163 of the ANO (CAP2038A00). The IMC rating privileges can be exercised under a UK PMD which ought to satisfy the requirement for a medical certificate in the US regulations:

14 CFR 61.3

(c) Medical certificate.

(2) A person is not required to meet the requirements of paragraph
(c)(1) of this section if that person -

(x) Is operating an aircraft within a foreign country using a pilot
license issued by that country and possesses evidence of current
medical qualification for that license;

London, United Kingdom

Qalupalik wrote:

UK non–Part-FCL PPL

But, in the context of flying N-Reg within the UK, since the CAA’s own guidance only makes mention of the need for a Part-FCL together with a full Class 2 Medical, and makes no reference to UK non–Part-FCL PPL and/or PMD in connection with flying N-reg in the UK, it would be easy to fall foul of this as the CAA is deemed to be chapter and verse by, for example, insurers. I think this point needs clarifying and therefore can you provide a link to the UK Aircrew regulation mentioned below?

Qalupalik wrote:

A UK non–Part-FCL pilot’s licence which includes, inter alia, an SEP is valid iaw art 3(3) of the UK Aircrew Regulation.
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