I dont approve of this truly dreadful behaviour, after all it might be you popping out of the cloudbase
OTOH my transponder will be ON – as it always is.
Also I can hardly recall the last time I have seen somebody in the UK flying above the clouds. Not suggesting the clouds in that video were UK clouds, of course
And outside the UK, and Germany, it’s rare enough to see GA below the clouds, too….
But, seriously, if you look at mid-air history in Europe, it’s a total non-event. It is 99.9% an emotional risk. Most of them happen at the “obvious” places and scenarios.
I have noticed one at Egelsbach
A bizjet colleague calls this “IVFR” and there is a special provision in German air law allowing it
Peter – yes I agree, you shouldnt have missed the wink out of my quote! I was only teasing. Whats the old saying you could fly around blind fold for a life time and never bump into anyone.
Yes I know
Sometimes us cynical old-timers just assume that what is obviously funny will be seen as funny by everybody, but as you know that’s not always the case on the internet, especially across nationalities… I once wrote on the Socata’s owners’ group, in a discussion re flying overweight, that I fly at MTOW+30% because it usefully increases Va (technically this is true) and a % of the residents bought it. My demise there followed not too long after…
I hope my demise will not follow as quickly then.
Peter wrote:
Also I can hardly recall the last time I have seen somebody in the UK flying above the clouds.
I agree with @Peter about mid-air risk. It’s not unusual to be Scottish Info’s only GA “customer” on a weekday morning or evening. I remember an evening flight to NI during the volcanic ash palaver, I think I was the first person they’d spoken to all day – boy were they bored. Their colleagues in Belfast had all downed headsets and gone to the pub.
Peter wrote:
I once wrote on the Socata’s owners’ group, in a discussion re flying overweight, that I fly at MTOW+30% because it usefully increases Va (technically this is true) and a % of the residents bought it.(Sorry for the one-liner, Peter, but I just couldn’t resist.)
Peter wrote:
Skimming cloud tops – is it illegal?
VMC is defined as vertical separation from cloud being 1,000 ft. (SERA.5001)
So, this aircraft is technically not in VMC, meaning you can only do this type of flying IFR legally.
Archie wrote:
It is if it takes you outside the VMC minima.
if flying VFR
So, basically, skimming the tops is always illegal unless you can do it under IFR – correct?
Archie wrote:
VMC is defined as vertical separation from cloud being 1,000 ft. (SERA.5001)
No it isn’t. SERA 5001 goes on to say:
At and below 900 m (3 000 ft) AMSL, or 300 m (1 000 ft) above terrain, whichever is the higher in Class F & G
5 km** Clear of cloud and with the surface in sight. The ** then gives additional optional dispensation of 1500m visibility if at 140kts IAS or less.