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Is it possible that a shortcut will take LONGER to fly?

For Peter’s specific example, with A-B then a 45-degree left turn then B-C versus direct, with a wind straight out the west, whatever the windspeed, A-C will always be faster, and in fact the stronger the wind, the better A-C is compared to A-B-C. (I bet if you calculated the limit as x approaches 150 for the orange line in the graph linked below, it would tend towards infinity).

Here is a graph of the time difference in minutes, assuming a 150kt aircraft, wind from 270 degrees, with A-B being a length of 100 tracking directly north, B-C a length of 100 on a track of 315 degrees, and A-C being a length of 184.8 on a track of 337.5.

The y axis is how many minutes you save flying A-C versus A-B-C, the windspeed is the x axis. (t is the TAS, d is the wind direction in degrees).

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/ulysrifw5o

I hope I’ve not made any errors :-)

You could add another function and some more variables to consider different lengths and routings, but I should be writing code for an Android phone right now so that’s an exercise left up to the reader!

Where A-B-C could be faster than A-C would be if there was a front that lay between the routes, and on the A-B-C side of the front the wind was from the south, and on the A-C side of the front, the wind is as depicted.

Last Edited by alioth at 16 Oct 11:33
Andreas IOM

Nice work Alioth

It is obvious that with non constant wind there can be cases where A-B-C takes less time. Those cases are probably not common in European light GA because the wind does not usually exhibit the local variation big enough to make the required difference. One exception I recall was here. But with jets, in the jet stream, it again swings the other way and they are all doing this.

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Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Here’a a related one. Is there a steady wind condition in which the closed course A → B → C → A is faster than with no wind at all?

Other than some sort of cyclone? Intuitively, no (for A → B → A def not)

bookworm wrote:

Here’a a related one. Is there a steady wind condition in which the closed course A → B → C → A is faster than with no wind at all?

No, over a closed course no wind always results in a shorter time than with any steady wind from any direction. For the same reason actually, with wind, your distance travelled through the air is longer than with no wind.

EGTK Oxford

Is there a steady wind condition in which the closed course A → B → C → A is faster than with no wind at all?

I think NO, because even an exact (90 degree) crosswind extends the airborne time, and since the average wind (assuming it is nonzero) is exactly the 90 degree case, it follows that any wind makes you fly for longer time.

But I have no idea how you would prove it.

For the same reason actually, with wind, your distance travelled through the air is longer than with no wind.

It depends on the wind direction. But obviously you knew that.

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

(Except if of course the course is around the globe as kwlf state before)

Peter wrote:

It depends on the wind direction. But obviously you knew that.

On a closed course it doesn’t.

EGTK Oxford

bookworm wrote:

Is there a steady wind condition in which the closed course A → B → C → A is faster than with no wind at all?

No. With a closed course, you’ll always have tailwind on a part, and headwind on another part. Because the time taken has the speed in the denominator of the fraction, headwind (removing speed) has a bigger effect than tailwind (adding speed), because you spend more time in the headwind than in the tailwind. This is the same kind of effect than with Ahm’s law, that programmers may be familiar with.

In other words (v being the speed and w the wind):
1/(v-w)-1/v > 1/v-1/(v+w)
or to make it more readable, using absolute values:
|1/v – 1/(v-w)| > |1/v-1/(v+w)|

This can be seen from the convexity of the function (lambda w.1/(v+w)), that is the fact that the second derivative in w of the expression 1/(v+w), namely 2/(v+w)^3, is positive, while the first derivative is negative. Or equivalently, the third term of the Taylor series development:
1/(v+w) = 1/v – w/v^2 + w^2/v^3 + O(w^4)
more schematically:
the time taken at speed v+w is the time taken at speed v minus a value proportional to the wind plus a time proportional the square of the wind plus a smaller term we will consider negligible. So looking at the time in headwind and in crosswind, 1/(v+w) + 1/(v-w), the second terms will cancel out, but the third term will come twice positive.

The above explains it for a straight path A to B and B to A direct.

Without loss of generality, consider that you do, projected on the direction of the wind, only one round trip. (If you don’t, just consider every round trip separately.)
Consider A your starting point and B the furthest you go in the direction (or against) of the wind (the projection of your path on the line having the wind as direction and A as a point), and d the distance from A to the projection of B. Since whatever path you take from A to B to A (any intermediary points you put between A and B and between B and A), you will always need to go at least distance d against the wind and distance d with the wind, you will always have the above effect of having the w^2 term twice.

As usual, if you “intuitively” believe that the effect of w is monotonic (that is, a bigger wind will only have a bigger effect, not a smaller one), you can see it by going to the limit: as w approaches v, the time in headwind becomes infinite, but the time in tailwind only halves.

ELLX

Peter wrote:

But I have no idea how you would prove it.

With some equations, of course :-)

A simple way of doing it would be: let x be windspeed: f(x) is the function of time to fly the course with some wind speed, and TAS < x < 0. Take a constant C, which is the time taken to fly the course with zero wind. Then prove f(x)-C > 0 for any legal value of x and show the limit of f(x)-C is zero as you approach zero from the right, and you’re done.

Here’s a graph:

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/1fkmqyageq

Without the effort of going to a mathematical proof the graph shows whatever you do with d (wind direction) you always get an increasing function in the range t < x < 0 (the function h(x) here is for a A-B-C-A course as described in Peter’s first post, with A-B = 100 and B-C = 100. t is the true airspeed. The red line in the graph is how much longer in minutes it takes to fly the course with wind versus flying the course with zero wind.

Last Edited by alioth at 16 Oct 14:26
Andreas IOM
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