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The "Mk 1 Eyeball" / lookout / see and avoid are almost totally useless

Post #1 restored. No idea what happened!

Thread split in two.

Military jets use our strip as a hypothetical target, but they generally keep to their published OLF timetable. Less of a problem than the 80 m guyed anemometer masts which sprout all over Scotland.

Glenswinton, SW Scotland, United Kingdom

I have merged the two. It looks like two threads were started with the same post within minutes of each other.

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Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom




I saw and avoided – just. I glanced down at the instruments at the wrong time. Airprox report out soon.

Maoraigh
EGPE, United Kingdom

Maoraigh – don’t see anything in this video. Where’s your airprox?

There is a parachute around 2:55

I guess it is somebody with a “lawn mower” on his back

But this is Class G, no? No such thing as an airprox in Class G

If you want to see an airprox, come down here and fly between Shoreham and Sandown, 1500ft

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Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

AdamFrisch wrote:

Maoraigh – don’t see anything in this video.
The elephant is the circulation
ENVA ENOP ENMO, Norway

In Holland, fast jet low-level routes are published on the VFR charts.

By the way the latest “greatest” jet F-35 supposedly spots other aircraft in the visible sky automatically with it’s onboard sensors.

See this vid at 1:50


How exactly are GA pilots supposed to avoid these fast jets? Why do they operate like this?

See and avoid has limitations and yes military planes fly fast and low for all sorts of reasons.

To mitigate the risk, you can:
- Fly higher and at unconventional altitudes
- Ensure altitude is being emitted when squawking (ALT/Mode-C)
- Make use of a radar-based FIS
- Emit your position (via ADSB-Out)
- Receive the position of others who are emitting (via ADSB-In)
- Recognise airspaces where traffic may be non-transponding/non-radio
- Keep a good lookout and scan

More reading here: http://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/See_and_Avoid

Last Edited by James_Chan at 20 Jul 10:53

Emit your position (via ADSB-Out)
Receive the position of others who are emitting (via ADSB-In)

Is this real?

Do military jets have ADS-B IN?

Who is emitting ADS-B OUT (apart from transport jets)?

Recognise airspaces where traffic may be non-transponding/non-radio

In the UK, that is basically everywhere below 2000ft, with the highest concentration at 1000-1500ft. Loads of non-TXP, TXP turned off, or ModeA-only aircraft.

That F35 video is amazing!

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Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

But this is Class G, no? No such thing as an airprox in Class G

Peter, I think the vast majority of airprox reports are in class G.

Egnm, United Kingdom
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