Graham wrote:
And moose?
Aren’t elk and moose the same species? Elk being the European variety and moose the American one?
There are bears all the way north into Austria.
The moose is a comedy reference, which some who are familiar with the more obscure bits of Monty Python may get.
Moose 
More unrelated information: in Norway about 500 moose are killed by train each year. 1000 are killed by cars and trucks. 30k are killed by hunters. None by GA AFAIK
Boar can get quite big as well, definitely larger than the largest fox I’ve ever seen. They sometimes live in cities, whole families – an encounter can be scary, especially if your dachshund decides it’s looking for a fight.
Justine and I did a “proof of concept” test. Not easy to sleep two in a two-person tent although it works with somebody you like and if you don’t have to go to work the following day But the MSR tent is excellent for 1 person.
The Primus liquid fuel stove is – as I found out previously – extremely sensitive to debris in the burner nozzle. It really needs to be packed in a bag which doesn’t get any dust or dirt in it when transporting. The starting procedure – cold start v. hot start – is not dissimilar to an IO540… But once it runs it is really powerful for such a tiny thing. I also think it should have an inline filter in the pipe just before the burner.
Peter wrote:
Not easy to sleep two in a two-person tent
Yes. For two people, most would choose a three person tent. A three person tent with two people is about as cosy as a two person tent with 1 person.
Peter wrote:
The Primus liquid fuel stove is – as I found out previously – extremely sensitive to debris in the burner nozzle. It really needs to be packed in a bag which doesn’t get any dust or dirt in it when transporting. The starting procedure – cold start v. hot start – is not dissimilar to an IO540
You should really give gas a try 
Indeed liquid fuel is technically a more versatile solution, but you can’t bet gas for convenience and simplicity. The entry cost of trying it is very little too.
£16 for the stove
Vango Gas stove
£5 for the gas
Gas
For £21 you’d not be much out of pocket if you didn’t like it.
Liquid fuel has it’s uses, but for what you’re doing I’d suggest that gas is a better solution.
Peter wrote:
Not easy to sleep two in a two-person tent although it works with somebody you like
My wife and I like each other but we still use a three-person tent when we’re out hiking…
Actually there was enough room to sleep; the main issue is that there is nowhere to put the “stuff” e.g. backpacks. These “dome” tents are a great technical solution to easily putting the tent up in a few mins, and it being wind- and rain-proof, but they don’t have much room under the vestibules.
It’s obvious when one looks around a campsite. Nearly all the tents I saw on this one were dirt cheap ones but were huge, with huge vestibules. OTOH those people were “hardcore campsite campers” who turned up in cars and took three wheelbarrows to haul their stuff
Nobody will be backpacking with those tents. I reckon they were 5-10kg. If you have to carry the thing, compromises have to be made. And if sharing a tent, somebody snoring will wake up the other even if there is space
The funny thing with throw tents are that they are up really fast indeed. Take them out of the package, let go and all you need to do is catch it before it flies up the nearest tree.
It’s getting it back into the package which is the challenge most of the time. Not the first time I saw with similar beach tents being stuffed half deployed into the baggage compartment or on the backseats… only to do the “bang” act again and open into the cabin. I would think in an airplane this could be a bit of a situation :)
Some folks I know keep buying cheapo throw tents like this and then simply stuff them into the next dustbin once they are done with it and it refuses to fold back into its bag… particularly on open air festivals this seems to be a rather popular move… guy I know keeps going to such events, waited for the folks to leave and then spent a day collecting the abandoned tents to resell them on ebay.
