JohnR wrote:
I am not an apologist for PPL/IR and have had my disagreements with them but as just one example the PBN manual which is used as the basis for a lot of PBN training is surely a good achievement isn’t it?
One example or the only example? I admit this manual is OK but it is what it is, similar to manuals describing ILS or holding patterns. It doesn’t have anything with claim that PPL/IR has been doing something at EASA level to help GA pilots.
Yes I agree that it would be better if there was a co-ordinated response to issues. But it is bit like herding sheep. You need a few good sheepdogs who work together and in GA we have too many personalities who don’t want to be sheepdogs 
I’m not sure I see how something that is part of creating credibility is an example of actually having a positive effect at the EASA level as was indicated before.
I have no doubt there will be individuals who are trying to do good, just as I have no doubt there will be many who don’t try that hard. I also get the impression that getting anywhere with EASA is rather a futile undertaking.
It is difficult to do something about it, and I’m just not sure that the likes of PPLIR or AOPA in its current state can and do anything meaningful.
It would be great to see something done about the CAA infringement mess from these groups if they are influential.
I disagree, it is part of creating the credibility to have influence at that level. There has been a huge amount of work put into producing that document. There are a small number of people who do a lot of work behind the scenes to try and improve GA IFR. It is easy to criticise but far more difficult to get out and do something about it.
I’m not sure writing a manual is a good example of fighting for case of the IR at EASA level.
I get the feeling that (much the way I feel about AOPA) it’s managed decline from people who don’t really want to rock the boat or speak out and up.
@JohnR that Aztec is living in Eastern Europe (Kiev and Estonia!), a great aircraft when AvGas was 80 cents a litre !!
I used it and still do and I recommend it to all who fly IFR as an excellent reference document. Yes it is rather dense but then so is PBN . I am still flying the Aztec by the way and remember the day you kindly showed me your Aztec.
is used as the basis for a lot of PBN training
@JohnR it is a worthy, if somewhat indigestible tome, but am not aware any ATOs use it as part of PBN/RNP training. Again not sure it has been updated, but it seemed somewhat removed from the practicalities and SOPs of PBN/RNP training.
I am not an apologist for PPL/IR and have had my disagreements with them but as just one example the PBN manual which is used as the basis for a lot of PBN training is surely a good achievement isn’t it?
