boscomantico wrote:
Maybe in some rural parts of Sweden or France you find rates which are a bit lower, but not by all that much.
Piper Archer
Annemasse, FR: €222.55 / hr
Sjöbo, SE: €128.11 / hr wet
57% of the FR price.
Piper Arrow
Annemasse, FR: €271.42 / hr
Local School, SE: €163.00 / hr wet
60% of the FR price.
I don’t see any C172s, but you can get an S model with G1000 for €135.23 / hr wet around here.
I would redefine “not by all that much”. With those prices, I would have given up flying a long time ago.
Is there a wet/dry disparity at play here, where people aren’t comparing like with like?
€135 for a C172s wet is amazingly cheap!
boscomantico wrote:
Maybe in some rural parts of Sweden or France you find rates which are a bit lower, but not by all that much.
My club is located in Sweden’s fourth largest city. Hardly rural even it is true that the airport itself is located some 6 km from the nearest urban areas.
Anyway, we have the same price for all four-seaters (C172s and PA28s) of ≈€160, wet, airborne time. This includes a G1000 equipped C172S, a PA28 Warrior II with GTN650Xi, G5 and autopilot and a C172R with GTN650 and autopilot. €160 is a moderately high price in Sweden and still only marginally higher than the cheapest aircraft in Annemasse (at €153.50).
zuutroy wrote:
€135 for a C172s wet is amazingly cheap!
Isn’t it 50l/hr. @85% best power? That would be 128,5 EUR /hr for avgas alone at my homebase …
What engine do you have? 35 litres per hour for ~65% at GA altitudes. That’s ~€76 / hr with local avgas prices.
I understand for a “IFR touring club”, what matter is also is flexibility to take an aircraft away and bring it when you like (it’s ok if plenty of other IFR aircrafts are available)
I am sure a nice IFR Archer3 at 220€/h is a good deal if you take for two weeks on 2000nm and fly 10h? it’s far better than 130€/h aeroclub VFR C172 where one needs to take it 3h/day to match it’s heavy training use? or book it on windy days with 30kts winds when the average PPL & FI & wife don’t fly? 
The C172S G1000 is perfectly IFR capable and you may take it away as long as you want. Training is done on the Piper.
