Steve6443 wrote:
This is already the case in (eg) Basel, they charge no less than €26,30 per trip by shuttle from the airplane to the terminal or from the terminal to the airplane
Note that in their December newsletter, the GAC has pointed out that they can offer handling for visiting aircraft. This is the “Swiss” sector. I don’t know if you will save a lot of money there though… maybe if you want to park a bit longer than a few hours.
https://gacbasel.ch/ → PPR-Formular
arj1 wrote:
Sorry, going back to my original post – has anyone read the Opinion paper? What are the consequences, if any?
I don’t expect there to be any noticeable consequences. The proposal deals almost exclusively with safety and management issues – not at all with issues such as compulsory handling or minimum services provided. The proposed regulation will also apply to self-handling by CAT with complex powered airplanes, but not non-commercial ops.
Sorry, going back to my original post – has anyone read the Opinion paper? What are the consequences, if any?
AIUI the CIME card isn’t about being checked out as a non terrorist but about having been trained to wear a yellow vest and to walk between lines and around bollards when walking airside to and from your aircraft and accompanying passengers so that they also do not stop outside the pedestrian lines or inside the bollard cordon.
Also to look left and right so you don’t walk in front of a moving aircraft.
You know all the essential stuff we have been doing for years without a card to demonstrate we can do it.🤔
You can write what you like… I usually do 
Just avoid the f-word and similar.
Sounds like it is as popular as this
This stuff doesn’t work because a large % of airport workers cannot be security checked – because they have insufficient verifiable past history. When I was 16 (and just 4 years out of CZ) I tried to get a job at various big firms which also did govt/mil work and was turned down because I was so obviously a KGB plant. Same when I was 21. Yet airports have to employ such people in large numbers because nobody else will do the work.
Steve6443 wrote:
3 KLM pilots join me in taking the shuttle – also no CIME card in sight
Airline crew usually are issued company ID cards, and I’m sure KLM is also doing so. These ID cards are only issued following security checks and clearance by the relevant police and authorities, and are therefore the equivalent of that CIME.
I don’t think wearing a shiny uniform would give you any advantage as I recall our ID cards scrutinised when going thru security checks. Yes, at the EAP.
And the EAP (LFSB) is in prime position in my avoid at all costs list of places…
Re that CIME card affair… can’t really write here what I think about it, lest Peter would show me the door 
@ Steve6443 wrote:- Absolutely ridiculous state of affairs…..
👎👎👎I totally agree..Many of us have been saying that there are going to be stupid problems since this training and safety card scheme was forced on us by the EU. It is unnecessary IMHO.
gallois wrote:
That’s a lot of gold plating at Basel.
There should be no need for a shuttle bus if you have a CIME and no need for a CIME if you use a shuttle bus. (Unless you want them)
Some sort of safety training and a pass is a EU reg that France got hauled over the coals for not adhering to, in the last 2 years IIRC. At airports with a lot of commercial operations we used to just show our pilot’s licence and photo ID.
It was figured that pilots knew how to safely conduct themselves when airside.
The EU obviously think different.
I believe AOPA also do a card and arrange training, but I don’t know whether airside security can read English so it may take some time for them to get used to the AOPA version.
I showed my licences (EASA, FAA), Photo ID, AOPA crew card but the idiots in Basel said “without a CIME card you are not going airside.” Even with a CIME card the French side demands you use their shuttle with the incumbent fees – nobody is allowed to walk airside on the french sector of the airport. I had 3 KLM pilots join me in taking the shuttle – also no CIME card in sight, but they were obviously dressed as pilots so I presume if I had worn my Van Heusen pilot’s shirt with gold bars on it, things would be easier……
It took well over half an hour to convince them that I was the owner of the plane with which I’d just arrived to drop off a friend, that I had a flight plan to return, that I was the pilot. The only solution they saw was that I would need to claim to be a student pilot and then they would “allow” me to be taken to the apron, whereupon I could tell the shuttle driver where to go.
Absolutely ridiculous state of affairs…..
Steve6443 wrote:
You’re referring to the Swiss side of the airport.True, but it’s in fact no different than other comparable situations around Europe, where a GA apron is separated from the ‘official’ parts of the airport. Especially aeroclubs are often separated, where you also don’t need any security checks. The problem is of course that not each aeroclub likes visitors, or can only host you when someone is on-site on a voluntary basis.
That’s a lot of gold plating at Basel.
There should be no need for a shuttle bus if you have a CIME and no need for a CIME if you use a shuttle bus. (Unless you want them)
Some sort of safety training and a pass is a EU reg that France got hauled over the coals for not adhering to, in the last 2 years IIRC. At airports with a lot of commercial operations we used to just show our pilot’s licence and photo ID.
It was figured that pilots knew how to safely conduct themselves when airside.
The EU obviously think different.
I believe AOPA also do a card and arrange training, but I don’t know whether airside security can read English so it may take some time for them to get used to the AOPA version.
