Obviously one can do it via say Cherbourg but today I heard that one pilot was given a talking-to by the police for it. I also recall a presentation about a year ago where they said travelling to the Channel Islands via some other airport is not allowed. I don’t believe they have the power to do anything about it though – it’s just authority abuse which is endemic in some...
That stuff isn’t coming back – exactly as not if arriving from Switzerland, Norway, Serbia, Albania, etc. My money is on 4hr GAR for all arrivals from the EU, 24hr for Switzerland etc. Same as now.
Never heard of " Immigration Preclearance form". A flight to/from non EU, or one carrying non EU passport holders, did require a 24hr PN via the GAR. More here. I have a feeling the 24hrs bit for non UK passport holders may have gone away – see the searches linked – but not relevant now to you anyway. The problem is likely to be a “private strip”. I suggest contacting your local police and ask....
The UK has always needed a departure GAR for IOM, NI, Ireland, CI. Is that wrong? It is only for deps to other EU countries, and only if all aboard are EU citizens, that a GAR was not needed. Does anyone have any info on whether the 12/24hr notice is proposed to be removed?
Has the 24hr GAR PNR requirement for non UK passport holders been removed? Someone reports that it is not found here. The usual scenario is e.g. a Russian, no UK passport, with a UK holiday visa.
Before the recent GAR rule changes, it was, IIRC, simply that the 4hr PN became 24hr, both in and out. So same as e.g. Switzerland always was, for UK flights. I don’t know what it is today, but quite likely the same.
Interesting. A weird change, but at least it suggests they have re-examined the GAR issue and have decided to leave it rather than do what was feared which was a 24hr GAR PN for all non-UK. However, am I reading it right? New_Reporting_Requirements_GA_GB_pdf Previously, no GAR was needed for departures to the EU.
In the UK you can land anywhere, via the GAR form. If you are an EU passport holder then you have to give 24hrs’ notice. A search on GAR digs out various threads, with this one being perhaps the most recent. The UK doesn’t need airports with Customs or Immigration. The GAR system does it.
I doubt it. It must have been a long time ago. I started in 2000 and not only didn’t this exist then but the GAR system was totally disregarded and that continued until some 10 years ago. I remember phoning up the Customs then and incredulously asking them “do you really want this form even for Le Touquet… nobody I know has ever heard of it” and she stroppily told me...
Just a little update: At the weekend I flew EGKB-EIWT-EGKA. I filed the GAR both with the online form and by fax (however the 2 fax numbers, one for Kent and one for Sussex, were both duff). I also sent it by email to the NCU, because there is an Immigration issue coming to the UK from Ireland. Despite sending the GAR by the online system I still got the "permission to fly" code...
Yes there is no legal requirement for a “permission”. The underlying law for the GAR form is a “notification”. The police don’t like that, of course, and have a habit of phoning you at 3am with a “permission number”, although I have seen this disappear in the last year or two since it may have finally sunk in… So the law does appear to say that without a GAR (or equivalent notification to a “...
The funny thing about the new GAR is that the interactive process doesn’t ask for the place you are flying to, or from. Even the .xls template they provide, dating from 2015, is like that GAR_Template_with_logos_v_6_3_Jan_2015_LJ_pdf I looked at some past templates and even in 2014 they were not asking for the destination airport. So I wonder how they verify the 4hr v. 12hr v. 24hr GAR notice...
Entering that number into google (that often produces surprising results ) shows this It is a National Yacht Line number. I guess this makes sense. The EuroGA router sends the Eurocontrol tracking link along with the GAR so the police don’t need to hang around for you But that doesn’t do VFR flight plans. Also I am sure the police have access to flight plans. Is there any scenario...
How is the above applicable to GA travel? All relevant countries are already in schengen, yes? Let me post something which is relevant to GA and the subject of this thread. Gallois mentions the CTA. Unfortunately, there is no “common travel area” for GA. It’s been sabotaged. From EIWT AIP: UK – Ireland needs this 24hr PN at EIWT. In addition there is the Terrorism Act 12hr GAR form at the UK...
LFOV came up before here. @Bordeaux_Jim posted the info. What I found out today is that the way you comply with the 24hr PN for “English speaking tower” is with an email to the email address in the AIP It apparently goes to the one guy who also does the tower. Today, it took almost 10 emails (all google translated to/from French – no response otherwise) to establish, more or less, that the...
The UK doesn’t really have the concept of a “port of entry” or an “international airport”. With the GAR system, almost every airport which is above the level of farm strips, is a port of entry. And a lot of farm strips are too, albeit with a 24hr PN on the GAR. It is a great system (with the exception of the stupid 12hr PN for flights to the Channel Islands, Ireland (N and S) and the Isle of...
I can’t believe you got 13 pages of “input” on your PPR question The GAR form is incredibly simple nowadays – just email it to the hmrc address, 4hrs before arrival in the UK. Some UK airports are PPR too but you can just phone them. They speak English The main barrier IMHO is on the mainland, where you need an airport which has Immigration, and France has dismantled...
You can fly to Croatia (or anywhere else) from anywhere in the UK, via the GAR form system. (24hr PNR for going to a non EU destination) But if you stop in say Germany on the way there, the German airport has to have Immigration, for both the flight from the UK and the flight to Croatia. Fortunately it appears that all German airports have Immigration “capability” – see the later parts of this...
The UK isn’t really doing symbolic stuff to hit the EU. The UK is a bit like the typical divorcing man; just happy to get out of the arrangement while still having a life afterwards, and revenge isn’t a priority. It is doing some partly symbolic stuff for domestic consumption, but making the GAR 24hr PNR would be 100% shooting oneself in the foot, 99.9% of the population doesn’t even know what...
I think the UK is easy enough but as say an EU (non UK) citizen you need to give a 24hr GAR PN instead of 4hr. Or something like that; I actually can’t remember anymore. But of course showing a UK passport is simpler. OTOH you could have a non UK passport and have a UK indefinite leave to remain document. I still don’t really understand why passports are stamped, with so many holes in the...