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This search shows that a KX155 can fetch a quite reasonable price, especially if it “looks good” e.g. you get an 8130-3 generated (N-reg owners don’t need one, contrary to popular belief, but it helps to sell something because many people don’t know this).

US buyers are indeed suspicious of European sellers. I have sold a lot of stuff on US Ebay so have seen this. One guy told me, back in the Gulf War days when a certain European country refused to participate in some allied action and drew criticism from the US govt, a large number of US buyers received bricks (from sellers in that country) instead of avionics. You need to produce a really nicely written detailed listing, with good quality photos, and generally looking like you have gone to school at some stage and are a reasonably diligent person – IOW, you need to do better than the average Ebay seller That strategy attracts the better quality buyers (same in all walks of life really).

The shipping cost (DHL or similar) isn’t going to be cheap – of the order of £150. Below 2kg it can go registered airmail but IIRC you can’t get compensation for more than £250 and it can take 5-10 days. That option is about £20. With decent packaging, 2kg is hard to achieve.

If you use Advanced Search and check fhe Completed Listings box, you see what the items actually sold for.

US Ebay is great. The stuff is almost worthless in Europe, because most people cannot (or are afraid to) self install, and because for EASA-regs all used stuff needs an EASA-1 form, and even most N-reg owners don’t know their options.

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

…it sports a Bendix T12D ADF, nice door stop for the garden shed.

Are King KX-155 NAV/COM more valuable? I have an old one which is unserviceable in the UK as no longer able to be fitted post .833.

Presumably of some value to a US buyer, but would they bid on a UK sourced, as is piece of kit?

Oxford (EGTK), United Kingdom

A search on US Ebay is worth doing.

Some stuff sells well, other stuff doesn’t. I sold my KCS55 slaved compass system parts very quickly; people keep theirs going off Ebay it seems, very cost-effectively. But it has to be said that is a good system which does what it says on the box and it’s been doing it for 40 years.

I would expect a 170 to be worthless.

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

M_D it is in the UK. The ADF is old skool with dial tuning so quite retro.

Is there any value to the old King 170 Nav/Com? I probably will keep one CDI display, but is there experience of selling old NAV/COMs in the USA?

Oxford (EGTK), United Kingdom

Robert,

In the US or in Europe?

If in Europe, then I can wohleheartedly recommend the TT31 transponder. In connection with a 430W it will do ADSB out quite nicely indeed (physically it also will with a normal 430 but it is not really allowed to). It is a relatively low price item (and you can still sell your Mode C stuff in the US) but worth doing away with the hasssle of figuring out which airspace you can fly in without it.

A 430 is probably still a lot more value than a KLN94 simply also because it includes the 8.33 you will need. Clearly, you can get KLN’s for a big bargain but it is old technology whereas the 430 is as well but not that old and with a lot more utility.

As you own the ADF, if it works, why not leave it in. If it’s a KR87, it has a nice stopwatch feature which was the reason I kept mine.

Autopilot: If you are thinking the low STEC models, I’d go for the system 30 instead of 20. Altitude hold is worth the difference on any day. It won’t hold a glideslope though, for that you either need a 60-2 or a 55×. S-Tec used to give massive discounts on the 55X when you were interested in buying a 30, that is how I got mine. Friedrichshafen is a good place to hunt for that kind of discount.

If you have a 430 and an S-Tec, GPSS is an issue. S-TEC have a converter or you can go for one of the cheaper Aspens (like the E5) which has GPSS inbuilt. Obviously a E5 gives a lot more for not that much more money than a simple converter.

My 2 cents worth. Frankly said, it takes a lot of discipline not to overequip while you are at it, but it does help to think it through what you want or not. In my own experience, I could probably do without a lot of stuff but I like the AP for travelling.

LSZH(work) LSZF (GA base), Switzerland

Bathman, good find on the PAR200A intercom, with an integrated .833 radio, hadn’t spotted this, very practical.

Oxford (EGTK), United Kingdom

Par200a intercom
KLN94
King 87 ADF
King 64 DME
Keep the mode C

Last Edited by Bathman at 01 Apr 11:47

Looking at a project with King 170Bx2, ADF and Mode C. Likely to junk all except the Mode C.

In terms of meeting 90% of my mission, arguably all I need is an .833khz COM and a RAM holder for the Garmin 196. On the .833 COM choices being Trig, Becker and Garmin GTR225. (£2-3k)

Upgrading to Mode S – on the 90% rule I believe in the UK you only need these in some TMZ (eg Stansted) and in Class A. (£2-4k, £4k might give you a future proofed Garmin which will meet ADSB requirements in the distant/medium future?)

A secondhand IFR GPS either KLN94 or 430 would provide some IR(R) capability, and the 430 also adds .833. A KLN94 might cost £2k and an overhauled 430 £6k, less the cost of the .833, so a delta of £3k.

A GTN650 plus remote GTX33 and a second .833COM plus simple audio panel (£18k?). This is a nice new lite IFR set up. Still trying to figure out what extra kit is needed for traffic and weather to make use of ADSB in capability. No NAV redundancy except for the Garmin 196 on the RAM mount.

On the question of an NDB being required. Most ILS with an NDB, the NDB is required only in the missed approach, and you can advise lack of NDB and request different missed approach instructions – all perfectly legal. The enroute IFR GPS will have a waypoint co located with the NDB (not a user waypoint) which can be used for the hold. Losing the NDB should result in 15 lbs more useful load and KTAS 2 speed gain having ditched the LF/MF antenna.

An S-TEC20 would be useful but have never found an A/P essential. The flight crew flying cheques in Navajos at night never had working autopilots. While CAT 1 single crew require a CAT 1 coupled A/P, am happy with the 800 metre RVR single crew minima over a single channel, no redundancy GA A/P.

Oxford (EGTK), United Kingdom

Yes that is true; engine monitors can take a day or two to do if you have to drill the exhaust freshly, etc. And a lot longer on some twins; I saw one installation where all the wires had to be run through a tiny 1cm-wide gap between a rib and the wing skin. I didn’t think the job was well done because the wires were unprotected (no grommet etc). It took them about a week.

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Outdated stuff!

I dream about a flying school aeroplane with that much nav equipment in it.

Get rid of the TKM box 2. Replace it with a Garmin 430. Add a king 64 DME and a trig transponder.

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