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Too much developpement into GP already, and surely with a lot of common tech with their existing hand helds and panel stuff, which FF would be a nightmare to integrate into. IMHO.

EGTF, LFTF

Garmin will not be able to resist doing the old integrate-with-Garmin-only-raindance (like the beancounters always do) and that will end up killing the app. ForeFlight doesn’t have such alliances.

Yes; it would be another GNS480. I read a very interesting snippet on a US site.. Garmin may have taken over UPSAT for their ODA. But in this case taking over Foreflight would not give them anything.

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Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Garmin has already integrated Foreflight into some of their products, e.g. the GTX 345 connects to Foreflight to display ADS-B traffic and weather.

My impression (only) is the Garmin Pilot has lost the race and Foreflight has won it, based mainly on Foreflight being the US VFR pilot’s almost universal tool in 2017.

Silvaire wrote:

Garmin has already integrated Foreflight into some of their products, e.g. the GTX 345 connects to Foreflight to display ADS-B traffic and weather.

I think it is more correct to say that they have allowed FF to access the API. For now.

EGTK Oxford

Garmin Pilot is not a consideration for most, if the Garmin product didn’t support Foreflight, people would look elsewhere.

This however just shows the gulf between the USA and Europe.

A lot of stuff can exist and carry on in Europe, supported by the tight copyright on a lot of aviation data. IOW, over here, the one who sinks the most money into developing their own database from aviation data which is published as PDFs deliberately to thwart machine readability, wins.

It’s a bit like if you are very good at digesting hydrogen, and don’t need to breathe, you will do brilliantly on Jupiter

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Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Peter wrote:

A lot of stuff can exist and carry on in Europe, supported by the tight copyright on a lot of aviation data. IOW, over here, the one who sinks the most money into developing their own database from aviation data which is published as PDFs deliberately to thwart machine readability, wins.

All that really means is that – at least for the time being – you’re stuck with sub-par apps in Europe.

Foreflight is a great app. After reading US pilots rave about it, it’s a bit of a let down to compare it with SkyDemon or Garmin Pilot. Some might prefer the interface – although people tend to like what they’re used to – but in terms of functionalities there really isn’t that much more (and actually a lot less in Europe for now, especially for VFR flying).

EGTF, LFTF

Remember that ForeFlight was one of the first iOS apps, it was even featured in Steve Job’s presentation of the iPad.

Market shares can change rapidly, customers are not that loyal. Competition is good and benefits everybody, statements like “X won and everybody else will die” are very far from reality as the market is sufficiently large for multiple vendors. For years, the core of ForeFlight was just a simple FAA raster map panning application with a growing number of goodies around. Only lately they have introduced a sophisticated vector mapping engine (and a pretty good one I have to say). That’s what competition does.

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