@Emir what I mean is for example SPb airport: https://pulkovoairport.ru/en/partners/rates/airlines/
A/C ground handling rates (minimum package of services № 1, https://pulkovoairport.ru/f/1/partners/rates/airlines/Minimum1.pdf)
They specify on the last page which items on the Annex A of the IATA agreement are included and under what circuimstances (some are just included, some have to be requested).
We just did it. Germany to LGKR, LGMG, LGIO and back home today. LGKR was about 195 Euro all in with 2 pax for a fuel and immigration stop, LGMG was 11,41 Euro for 1 week parking and landing and LGIO was about 95 Euro total. All with AOPA card. Without AOPA it can be much much more.
I would choose LGKR as the entry stop. More traffic and slight delays but long opening times and easy to fly on the seaside. LGIO was super nice, fast as we have been the only plane in that entire part of the country but short opening times so for us did only work to exit the country and take into account there is quite complex terrain around. Flying along the coast maybe in bad weather is much easier.
All airports required prior PPR. They made me tear my hair out but you just have to start early so maybe a week in advance and it will require a couple of emails and phone calls. In the end everything did work out, everybody is super nice, things just do not work as efficiently as in northern Europe. LGMG was the worst but after beeing in their office it all made sense to me.
What made things difficult is that the handlers do not understand my questions of how likely some PPR will be granted. They just do not seem to understand the question. But in the end for example PPR for LGMG and LGIO just seem a formal step probably granted every time, PPR for LGKR was actually based on capacity.
arj1 wrote:
They specify on the last page which items on the Annex A of the IATA agreement are included and under what circuimstances (some are just included, some have to be requested).
In Greece handing is always one item on the bill without any explanation what it includes.
Sebastian_G wrote:
In the end everything did work out, everybody is super nice, things just do not work as efficiently as in northern Europe.
Couldn’t describe Handling Services in Greece better ! (including the rest of your description).
Oh someone has new invoicing software 
Handling below €100 is ok. However, there’s “Passenger Airport Tax” regardless listing only crew above and of course disbursement and administration fees. Obviously it was VFR flight, avoiding slot management fee but parking arrangement fee was charged.
Do you know any other country besides Greece when handler charges you for sending slot messages (each message is charged as @Peter can confirm)? Or where “parking arrangement” is charged besides parking fee itself?
I appreciate your efforts and helping GA pilots flying in Greece (myself included, thanks again) but let’s not defend ripping off.
Emir you misunderstood me !
I’m not defending crooks. We’re on the same page.
I replied solely on the issue of whether the invoices are with one single item charge or with break down of what is charged for what.
I fully agree its a ripoff for services not properly provided.
The passenger Airport Tax is a state fee. The state charges that (12 € per pax) even on airline passengers’ tickets.
Disbursement fee is ridiculous (the fee for the handler to pay the third party). In practice you can do it yourself in the airport or via web banking but it involves waiting for people who are not in their office or admin. work by a pilot who is not in dispatcher/admin. mood when flying to destination for work or vacations.
I am sure Handling companies do not pay CAA, Fraport, Customs, etc. on each flight. For sure they make bulk payments per month automatically to authorities/Fraport which makes the disbursement fee ridiculous since they will not do the whole process to pay each one separately for just few Euro per EACH GA flight visit.
Admin. fee is another name for “Credit card fee” since they cannot legally state it any more. (i.e. if you pay cash there is no such fee).
Parking arrangement is another charge invention (by handlers) for Fraport airports since Handlers are obliged to coordinate with airport authority who parks where and when.
Slot arrangement for IFR is the worse, since they charge some 40€+VAT το issue/administer your IFR slot.
They know most of us cannot administer it privately via Eurocontrol and hence they charge at will.
Regarding Fraports and Handlers, even for the regular PPR on a VFR Flight, if you declare and get it approved for XX:XX arrival and later – for whatever reason re-notify for later arrival or arrive considerably later without notifying … you’ll get charged for a new PPR request. Its a ripoff.
Thanks for the explanation. I’m planning Greece trip in spring before high season probably via Kythira and then few neighbouring islands.
Snoopy wrote:
Above all this useless rule is a major safety hazard. Forcing pilots to fly additional routes and match timetables under stress and pressure to then undergo „on paper only“ procedures (as in practice nothing is done anyway eg customs not even showing up).
There is no benefit (security, customs, whatever) at all warranting to stupidly obey this ridiculous rule.
+1
I cannot agree more and have been working since years ago on this topic. I just opened a new thread on it.
petakas wrote:
Its a ripoff.
I am not even sure. I was in the handling office at LGKR and there are so many people there doing whatever, it is just amazing. As a small business owner I assume the whole thing is just so inefficient that we are charged a lot but they still do not make much money on it. About 2 years ago I was at LGZA and it was similar. We paid about 260 Euro for two nights but we did employ so many people in the whole process. I think they did not make much money. What really needs improving is the efficiency of those operations.
