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Graham wrote:

I would have thought the difference is obvious.

The motorcycle does not require hangarage or airport parking which runs to hundreds of currency units a month. It also does not require expensive maintenance. It doesn’t drink expensive fuel at 10+ gallons an hour.

I can certainly see your point on the hangar cost – that is by far my biggest cost associated with aircraft ownership. My solution was (1) to keep two planes, a car and a number of motorcycles in the hangar, which also has a workshop for all of the above, spreading the cost of a hangar which is actually priced low-ish to begin with; and (2) to live in a small house and set up the hangar as as an ‘annex’, a place to socialize – just about any party we have is held there to this day. The change over the last few years has been a bigger house but the rented hangar still adds more to our life than aircraft storage, for about 20% of my house mortgage cost, less than the house property tax.

The hangar is also where the planes are maintained, I don’t typically pay for expensive service (for planes or motorcycles either) and fuel cost would not be reduced by having partners in the plane – I cannot imagine having more than one partner in the plane at a time would happen often, particularly argumentative partners

Graham wrote:

There are very obvious benefits to outright ownership – that much is obvious. The value you put on those benefits is a personal thing, and probably depends principally on (a) how much flying you do or intend to do, and (b) how much money you have.

I think the attraction of aircraft partnerships to those so inclined would be to people who want access to a more expensive plane, who don’t see flying and owning a plane as an enjoyable lifestyle, just as a tool, and for whom dealing with partners is an acceptable trade off to gain utility.

Last Edited by Silvaire at 14 Mar 14:22

This AA5 is a good deal.
http://www.planecheck.com?ent=da&id=38171

planecheck_F_GATU_38171_pdf

Some owner info of the AA5 :


25k for decent glass and an autopilot. Anyone ever flown one? What’s it like? Is a PH-reg experimental reasonable to maintain, and can one fly around europe without too much trouble?
https://www.planecheck.com/?ent=da&id=42631
planecheck_PH_JHS_42631_pdf

has a Beagle...
LOWG Graz Austria

The engine is a Subaru, which have had problems in some aircraft. I had a flight in one, with a Rotax, in return for its owner getting one in our Jodel. Rotax engine might be better. That one has a lot of electronics in a very pleasant but very light aircraft.
Only your local guys could tell you how easy it is to keep that reg in your country.

Maoraigh
EGPE, United Kingdom

Is this “experimental”? If so, you need permits for most places in Europe.

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

It’s not an EASA aircraft. The autopilot surprised me.

Maoraigh
EGPE, United Kingdom

Peter wrote:

Is this “experimental”?

Yes. According to the owner it can be flown with an EASA license (no national ul license required).

has a Beagle...
LOWG Graz Austria

A comfortable light ifr tourer Cirrus for 80k.
At 100h per year should cost around 300€/h, conservative (high) estimate (100€/h fixed costs and 200€/h operating cost at 3€ per liter avgas).
https://www.planecheck.com/?ent=da&id=47413
planecheck_N262BM_47413_pdf

has a Beagle...
LOWG Graz Austria

This low-time first generation C210 looks like a good deal with 430W, Aspen, Stec 55x, MFD but only averaging 30 hours a year since O/H.

https://www.planecheck.com?ent=da&id=46129

(sorry, cant remember how to save a local copy!)

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planecheck_D_ELLI_46129_pdf

EIWT, Ireland

Quite a few early C210 on Barnstormers – 185 Skywagon/182C fuselage, with the early 185 -470 engine. Basically an early Cessna 182RG.

They are much cheaper stateside because of the need for lots of TLC on the main gear saddles.

I like the Cessna wing with struts.

Not sure a vintage retractable fits the title of the thread :)

Enstone (EGTN), Oxford (EGTK)
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