What has to give is better training. You dont clear an area or ATA cause someone is still with enroute control at FL300 or in this case where they are anticipating an IFR arrival but has yet to be handed off to the tower who Im sure is talking to (Radar) Approach Control.
Hey, we all want to help out, but this has happened too many times now for it not to appear as if more training were necessary. By the way the Aero Commander did a visual approach what does that tell you. The vis was at least 50 NM. I could perhaps understand it if it was MVFR. But even then a little common sense please. The controllers should use the radio and coordinate with each other. unless as in European fashion they have to drop coins in every time they key the mic.
FWIW, a visual approach is a procedure under IFR.
Maybe an ATCO can explain the separation requirements?
If Im not mistaken it is see and avoid and the separation is responsibility of the crew.
C210_Flyer wrote:
If Im not mistaken it is see and avoid and the separation is responsibility of the crew.
It’s not. IFR separation is applied as usual according to airspace rules, expect with respect to successive aircraft on the same approach if the crew of the second aircraft has identified the first one and accepted to maintain own separation.
Ive flown loads of IFR flights terminating in a visual approach. The controllers always set you up and a lot of airports have Visual approach charts take for instance JFK . They ask do you see the traffic? If so follow that traffic whether it is on an IFR or VFR flight plan makes no difference.
They can move a lot more traffic on visual approaches than maintaining everyone onto an IFR approach even if the conditions are VMC. So the whole point of ADSB is to be able to do this without the controller holding your hand, Hell they are starting to have self driving cars. If they can do that, surely they can figure out getting one airplane to land every 5 mins on a particular runway.
C210_Flyer wrote:
If they can do that, surely they can figure out getting one airplane to land every 5 mins on a particular runway.
You’ve lost me completely. What are you talking about?
C210_Flyer wrote:
Ive flown loads of IFR flights terminating in a visual approach. The controllers always set you up and a lot of airports have Visual approach charts take for instance JFK . They ask do you see the traffic? If so follow that traffic whether it is on an IFR or VFR flight plan makes no difference.
Check out the TIPP TOE and QUIET BRIDGE visual approaches to RWY 28 L/R at San Francisco Intl. The runways are too close to conduct simultaneous instrument approaches, but they can do visual approaches which increases the capacity. In that case the aircraft is vectored to the localizer or VOR radial and asked to maintain visual contact with the preceeding aircraft to the parallel runway, at exactly the same speed. Pretty amazing stuff!
Yes it can be done with a little effort. But have to say that is a very interesting approach.
There are Major airports Ive flown into that have crossing runways. The controller asks can you land on X runway before the intersection with Runway Y? If you accept the landing your allowed to land. And they are busy with traffic.
It just takes training and a little effort.
And here is the last video – of the return flight
Vimeo downsamples everything to about 5mbits/sec but if you go there and select Download you get the full size mp4.
Thanks for the video. We flew later that day but we had a lot more weather to deal with going to BP.
