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Ibra wrote:

Currently, Cannes has lot of restrictions on Z-FPL and Y-FPL, either you are I-FPL or V-FPL

I can´t see anything in NOTAMs. And BTW how can they restrict Z-FPL or Y-FPL while I-FPL and V-FPL are allowed?

LDZA LDVA, Croatia

They have airport slots in spring and summer (NOTAMS or SUP AIP) and they prohibit Y/Z

Paris/Essex, France/UK, United Kingdom

Ibra wrote:

They have airport slots in spring and summer (NOTAMS or SUP AIP) and they prohibit Y/Z

I remember seeing these last year but it puzzled me what was that about.

If I’m flying from LDVA to LFMD the only plan I can submit is Z-FPL because my departure is VFR and same applies for return flight – my only option is Y-FPL. So, why would LFMD care about that – for them both my plans are exactly same as I-FPL? For my plans I submit slot request and for them they are as same as I-FPL.

For the opposite option (instrument from my departing airport and arriving visual to LFMD or departing visual from LFMD and arriving instrument to destination) same applies if they allow V-FPL and VFR landings and departures. Why would they care what I did prior to arrival or what I’ll do after departure?

LDZA LDVA, Croatia

IIRC, the Cannes restrictions are really driven by Nice which is really aggressive. They show zero tolerance and zero co-operation – very unusual for France.

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Yes restrictions have to do with Nice capacity (they only apply to VFR-IFR and IFR-VFR transition in Nice and Rodez sectors for flights in or out of Cannes)

Last Edited by Ibra at 28 Jan 15:45
Paris/Essex, France/UK, United Kingdom

So if you want to depart IFR and later switch to VFR, what’s to stop you filing I-FPL and then just cancelling IFR at the appropriate point? Or will that get the Eurocontrol thought police after you?

LFMD, France

I don’t think that is an issue, you have an IFR departure slot, you takeoff IFR and cancel it later, no one cares…it’s when you depart VFR to pick IFR airborne in Nice sector that is prohibited (you do this as filing IFR require an AD takeoff slot), same for arrival on Yankee (as India arrival require a landing slot)

It’s a funky restriction in their busy season…

Last Edited by Ibra at 28 Jan 16:04
Paris/Essex, France/UK, United Kingdom

I fpl and cancel ifr is the way to go, but from what I’ve been told, ban of Y fpl is in summer season for jets that have wrong manner of finishing VFR between the summer piston traffic in order to speed landing up and avoid arrival slots. I’m not telling it’s good or bad, but just a manner to ensure “not too many jets in the CTR when you have 8 flight school pistons in the pattern. They don’t really know how to manage that kind of peak traffic.

Last Edited by greg_mp at 28 Jan 16:31
LFMD, France

I am sure there was some abuse behind it…in a “slotted airport” getting fuel on arrival is “obligatoire”, managing departure slots while running after fuel is an easy way to grow grey hair at 20 years old

Last Edited by Ibra at 28 Jan 16:35
Paris/Essex, France/UK, United Kingdom

Ibra wrote:

Yes restrictions have to do with Nice capacity (they only apply to VFR-IFR and IFR-VFR transition in Nice and Rodez sectors for flights in or out of Cannes)

Do you have any source for this? Like greg_mp said, during summer the NOTAM simply says Y fpl prohibited, without stating such exceptions…

EHLE, EDLS, Netherlands
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